Can someone explain what the person is saying in this hanging guide

[Umua]

https://archive.ashspace.org/ash.xanthia.com/suspension.html?

I'm confused by the metal ring part. If someone who understands it could maybe draw it make it in real life or just explain it in a simple manner it would be helpful. The snippet says:
"The metal ring. This is something you probably won't hear about anywhere else. This little gem will make hanging myself a lot more lethal, if done right. Make 2 loops around the ring. Then move the loops to opposite ends. You will notice a piece of slack, make that piece of slack face so that it will not come into contact with the neck, when the rope is applied. This does 2 great things. It takes pressure off the trachea (more later), and it increases pressure on the area you need pressure on, the sides of the neck. You aren't going to need an exact measurement. But, from what I know, a little bigger than your trachea is better than a little smaller. (I could be wrong, I'm not completely sure on this) If you're really in a bind, there is no foreseeable reason why a ring from your shower curtain shouldn't work. Note 2 things if you do use a ring. The type of rope is


important. Hard, stiff rope + ring = painful death, or no death at all. Use a soft rope, and lubricate it


liberally with a bar of soap. The other thing to consider is that you will be creating very high tension with the addition of the ring. So make damn sure the rope can support more than your weight (more later). One more thing, the ring should NOT be used for strangulation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[emma99]

Sorry, I'm more confused after clicking the link than i was just reading your post

 

[Evelyn Lane]

https://archive.ashspace.org/ash.xanthia.com/suspension.html?

I'm confused by the metal ring part. If someone who understands it could maybe draw it make it in real life or just explain it in a simple manner it would be helpful. The snippet says:
"The metal ring. This is something you probably won't hear about anywhere else. This little gem will make hanging myself a lot more lethal, if done right. Make 2 loops around the ring. Then move the loops to opposite ends. You will notice a piece of slack, make that piece of slack face so that it will not come into contact with the neck, when the rope is applied. This does 2 great things. It takes pressure off the trachea (more later), and it increases pressure on the area you need pressure on, the sides of the neck. You aren't going to need an exact measurement. But, from what I know, a little bigger than your trachea is better than a little smaller. (I could be wrong, I'm not completely sure on this) If you're really in a bind, there is no foreseeable reason why a ring from your shower curtain shouldn't work. Note 2 things if you do use a ring. The type of rope is


important. Hard, stiff rope + ring = painful death, or no death at all. Use a soft rope, and lubricate it


liberally with a bar of soap. The other thing to consider is that you will be creating very high tension with the addition of the ring. So make damn sure the rope can support more than your weight (more later). One more thing, the ring should NOT be used for strangulation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I'd recommend against using rings or stuff like that, because it's just one more point of failure, potentially. And when hanging it's impossible not to have pressure on the trachea as well. Also, hanging is not painless, from what I researched, but nearly all methods of suicide are somewhat painful/uncomfortable. I will say that hanging is one of the least painful if done properly.

The most common errors are using a non-constricting noose, not placing the noose's knot behind your neck and not placing the noose high up on the neck. Follow these simple precautions and you're halfway there.

Best of luck!

 

[Umua]

@locked*n*loaded I would like you to try and enlighten me from the post above. I saw that you told Evelyn that there's a way that a person can hang themselves without putting trauma on the neck while using cornhole bags and metal rings. You also linked the link that I also put on my post above. Can you please explain how metal rings work. Something like a drawing or another form of demonstration would be appreciated

 

[locked*n*loaded]

@locked*n*loaded I would like you to try and enlighten me from the post above. I saw that you told Evelyn that there's a way that a person can hang themselves without putting trauma on the neck while using cornhole bags and metal rings. You also linked the link that I also put on my post above. Can you please explain how metal rings work. Something like a drawing or another form of demonstration would be appreciated

I *think* the ring goes in the middle of the neck. Somehow the rope is "threaded" through the ring so that it exits a side of the ring, and then goes around the neck as normal, where it would make a slip knot, or whatever type knot, around the other half of the rope coming around the other side of the neck. I know hard to visualize with words. That's what I got out of the description in the link. Somehow the rope going across the ring remains "loose", thereby not putting pressure on the trachea. If this works I have no idea. But I can see the benefit of not having the airway cutoff and only constricting the blood vessels. Yeah, that guy's description is sort of vague and confusing. I'm no expert on hanging by any stretch. What I shared is only info I picked up over time while investigating countless potential methods for myself and weighing the pros and cons of each.

Hanging has been a go-to method of ctb for just about forever. Certainly longer than CO, although CO was definitely a go-to method in the 1950's, 60's, and 70's, along with barbiturates. That 100% reliability testament from the OP for hanging does give me a little pause, though. Nothing is 100%. There's more to it, obviously, than just getting a rope, a stool, and finding a tree branch.

 

[Evelyn Lane]

I *think* the ring goes in the middle of the neck. Somehow the rope is "threaded" through the ring so that it exits a side of the ring, and then goes around the neck as normal, where it would make a slip knot, or whatever type knot, around the other half of the rope coming around the other side of the neck. I know hard to visualize with words. That's what I got out of the description in the link. Somehow the rope going across the ring remains "loose", thereby not putting pressure on the trachea. If this works I have no idea. But I can see the benefit of not having the airway cutoff and only constricting the blood vessels. Yeah, that guy's description is sort of vague and confusing. I'm no expert on hanging by any stretch. What I shared is only info I picked up over time while investigating countless potential methods for myself and weighing the pros and cons of each.

Hanging has been a go-to method of ctb for just about forever. Certainly longer than CO, although CO was definitely a go-to method in the 1950's, 60's, and 70's, along with barbiturates. That 100% reliability testament from the OP for hanging does give me a little pause, though. Nothing is 100%. There's more to it, obviously, than just getting a rope, a stool, and finding a tree branch.

Am I wrong in thinking that even you believe that it's impossible to do full suspension hanging without constricting the trachea?

 

[pharmameddamaged]

This is what I want to know

 

[ladylazarus4]

I *think* the ring goes in the middle of the neck. Somehow the rope is "threaded" through the ring so that it exits a side of the ring, and then goes around the neck as normal, where it would make a slip knot, or whatever type knot, around the other half of the rope coming around the other side of the neck. I know hard to visualize with words. That's what I got out of the description in the link. Somehow the rope going across the ring remains "loose", thereby not putting pressure on the trachea. If this works I have no idea. But I can see the benefit of not having the airway cutoff and only constricting the blood vessels. Yeah, that guy's description is sort of vague and confusing. I'm no expert on hanging by any stretch. What I shared is only info I picked up over time while investigating countless potential methods for myself and weighing the pros and cons of each.

Hanging has been a go-to method of ctb for just about forever. Certainly longer than CO, although CO was definitely a go-to method in the 1950's, 60's, and 70's, along with barbiturates. That 100% reliability testament from the OP for hanging does give me a little pause, though. Nothing is 100%. There's more to it, obviously, than just getting a rope, a stool, and finding a tree branch.

My confusion is this: if the ring is in front of the trachea anyways, and the rope is attached to either side, then wouldn't it still put pressure on the trachea? It's a little confusing. Maybe if there was a picture or something to visualize...

 

[fallingtopieces]

I've read it over a few times and still cannot get a clear picture as to how the metal rings work or are applied. The post/link mentioned shower rings could be used and i still don't get it. I think i will have to just try cornhole bags as an aid, and i'm just wondering what size to use (2-inch, 3-inch or 4-inch?) to reduce some of the pain.