Can it be okay? Do I need to add a neck cloth?

[L'absent]

È per la sospensione completa

 

[Evelyn Lane]

Looks perfect.

 

[L'absent]

Sembra perfetto.

do you think I should lose consciousness quickly with my 110kg?

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

do you think I should lose consciousness quickly with my 110kg?

considering you only need a few kg to occlude the carotids, 110kg is definitely way above that threshold. but there's no way to tell exactly how long it will take to lose consciousness, as each person is different. but typically it takes anywhere from 6 seconds to 13 seconds. most guides say 20 seconds, just to give you a wide margin of error to properly cushion your expectations presumably. but I've only seen 1 filmed hanging that took a bit over 20 seconds to lose consciousness, and that was due to an improperly tied ligature knot. said person also regain consciousness in the middle of the hanging before passing out again, and it looked quite terrifying.

 

[L'absent]

considering you only need a few kg to occlude the carotids, 110kg is definitely way above that threshold. but there's no way to tell exactly how long it will take to lose consciousness, as each person is different. but typically it takes anywhere from 6 seconds to 13 seconds. most guides say 20 seconds, just to give you a wide margin of error to properly cushion your expectations presumably. but I've only seen 1 filmed hanging that took a bit over 20 seconds to lose consciousness, and that was due to an improperly tied ligature knot. said person also regain consciousness in the middle of the hanging before passing out again, and it looked quite terrifying.

regaining consciousness while hanging is a real nightmare. I hope something like this doesn't happen to me.

 

[Evelyn Lane]

considering you only need a few kg to occlude the carotids, 110kg is definitely way above that threshold. but there's no way to tell exactly how long it will take to lose consciousness, as each person is different. but typically it takes anywhere from 6 seconds to 13 seconds. most guides say 20 seconds, just to give you a wide margin of error to properly cushion your expectations presumably. but I've only seen 1 filmed hanging that took a bit over 20 seconds to lose consciousness, and that was due to an improperly tied ligature knot. said person also regain consciousness in the middle of the hanging before passing out again, and it looked quite terrifying.

Have I seen that video? Could you tell us the link of the video?

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

regaining consciousness while hanging is a real nightmare. I hope something like this doesn't happen to me.

it was certainly a fear of mine when I was still trying to manage a hanging.

Have I seen that video? Could you tell us the link of the video?

Sure, I think I have it stashed in a note file. You may have seen it already though, it was the Hong Kong female twitch streamer living in the UK. She hung herself fully from her shower.

https://watchpeopledie.tv/h/suicide/post/196350/female-twitch-streamer-livestreams-her-hanging

I misremembered. She seems to have lost consciousness in like 12 or 13 seconds. But shortly regained consciousness after some decerebrate posturing.

 

[Evelyn Lane]

it was certainly a fear of mine when I was still trying to manage a hanging.

Sure, I think I have it stashed in a note file. You may have seen it already though, it was the Hong Kong female twitch streamer living in the UK. She hung herself fully from her shower.

https://watchpeopledie.tv/h/suicide/post/196350/female-twitch-streamer-livestreams-her-hanging

I have that video linked on one of my threads. Thank you for sharing that, by the way.

And I don't think she lost consciousness and regained it. More like, she lost consciousness once, but it happened later than usual.

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

I have that video linked on one of my threads. Thank you for sharing that, by the way.

And I don't think she lost consciousness and regained it. More like, she lost consciousness once, but it happened later than usual.

well, as i said in my edit, you can clearly see her jolt back into consciousness after some posturing. watch her hands, those are deliberate movements that do not occur during unconsciousness. I've seen probably almost a hundred filmed hangings, and I've never seen someone so clearly regain consciousness like that, and then so clearly go back to unconsciousness with more posturing. But I suppose we'll never truly know for sure.

Edit: I lied. I do remember 2 asian women who regained regained consciousness during their respective hangings. but this is still a clear example of regained consciousness imo.

 

[babouflo201223]

Considérant que vous n'avez besoin que de quelques kilos pour occlure les carotides, 110 kg sont certainement bien au-dessus de ce seuil. Mais il n'y a aucun moyen de dire exactement combien de temps il faudra pour perdre connaissance, car chaque personne est différente. Mais généralement, cela prend entre 6 et 13 secondes. La plupart des guides disent 20 secondes, juste pour vous donner une large marge d'erreur pour bien amortir vos attentes, sans doute. Mais je n'ai vu qu'une seule pendaison filmée qui a pris un peu plus de 20 secondes pour perdre connaissance, et c'était dû à un nœud de ligature mal noué. La personne en question a également repris connaissance au milieu de la pendaison avant de s'évanouir à nouveau, et cela avait l'air assez terrifiant.

Je n'avais pas réalisé quevle poids de la personne devait être pris en compte pour la rapidité de perte de connaissance. Je suis un homme d'1m78 mais je ne pèse maintenant que 58kg, la dépression m'a fait perdre 10kg en quelques mois. Avec mes 58 kg, la perte de connaissance serait plus longue en suspension complète ? Mon cou est plutôt fin, pas musclé, c'est un inconvénient ? Merci !

 

[Evelyn Lane]

well, as i said in my edit, you can clearly see her jolt back into consciousness after some posturing. watch her hands, those are deliberate movements that do not occur during unconsciousness. I've seen probably almost a hundred filmed hangings, and I've never seen someone so clearly regain consciousness like that, and then so clearly go back to unconsciousness with more posturing. But I suppose we'll never truly know for sure.

Edit: I lied. I do remember 2 asian women who regained regained consciousness during their respective hangings. but this is still a clear example of regained consciousness imo.

By the way, you mention that it was due to an improperly tied ligature knot, how do you know that? We can't see her neck in the video.

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

By the way, you mention that it was due to an improperly tied ligature knot, how do you know that? We can't see her neck in the video.

From the description:

The actual hanging sequence in the video is lengthier than many hanging videos because, according to EMTs commenting on the case, she likely tied the noose improperly and took a very long time to lose consciousness as she slowly strangled herself to death.

Now, what do the EMTs know about hanging? Maybe a lot, maybe nothing. But assuming this is a genuine report of theirs, they arrived on scene and saw what she was working with.

Je n'avais pas réalisé quevle poids de la personne devait être pris en compte pour la rapidité de perte de connaissance. Je suis un homme d'1m78 mais je ne pèse maintenant que 58kg, la dépression m'a fait perdre 10kg en quelques mois. Avec mes 58 kg, la perte de connaissance serait plus longue en suspension complète ? Mon cou est plutôt fin, pas musclé, c'est un inconvénient ? Merci !

Je ne sais pas si le poids du corps fait réellement une différence dans la vitesse de la perte de conscience. Je parlais plutôt du fait que l'anatomie de chacun est différente. Parfois, vos artères sont enfouies plus profondément que celles d'une autre personne. Cela affectera donc la vitesse d'évanouissement et l'efficacité de l'occlusion. Mais je partage votre inquiétude quant au fait d'être trop léger. En fait, je suis encore plus léger que vous, avec 45 kg et 165,1 cm. Mais je ne pense pas que cela fasse une grande différence. Au fait, j'ai utilisé Google Translate pour cela. Pardonnez donc mes éventuelles erreurs d'écriture et ma compréhension des vôtres.

 

[Evelyn Lane]

From the description:

Now, what do the EMTs know about hanging? Maybe a lot, maybe nothing. But assuming this is a genuine report of theirs, they arrived on scene and saw what she was working with.

Note the keyword, though: "likely" tied the noose improperly. Meaning... they haven't seen the noose?

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

Note the keyword, though: "likely" tied the noose improperly. Meaning... they haven't seen the noose?

True, good eye. I suppose then we won't know for sure. But regardless, regained consciousness is a possible occurrence, even if we cannot agree or fully ascertain if this video is an example of it happening. It has happened before in other videos, where the face was clearly visible and the "noose" (usually a blanket or scarf) clearly shows a proper noose knot was not used.

But it seems like it is quite rare. And as Worndown here on SS says, if you use a proper noose knot you'll be golden.

 

[Davey40210]

Omg I just watched the whole thing. So horrible to see
And the comments below that video are disgusting.. what world do we live in

 

[Justnotme]

True, good eye. I suppose then we won't know for sure. But regardless, regained consciousness is a possible occurrence, even if we cannot agree or fully ascertain if this video is an example of it happening. It has happened before in other videos, where the face was clearly visible and the "noose" (usually a blanket or scarf) clearly shows a proper noose knot was not used.

But it seems like it is quite rare. And as Worndown here on SS says, if you use a proper noose knot you'll be golden.

I don't understand what role the knot plays here if the girl was pressing on the neck with all the weight of her body? After all, because of this, the arteries will be completely clamped and it turns out that it does not matter where the knot is tied and how it was tied?

 

[rozeske]

it was certainly a fear of mine when I was still trying to manage a hanging.

Sure, I think I have it stashed in a note file. You may have seen it already though, it was the Hong Kong female twitch streamer living in the UK. She hung herself fully from her shower.

https://watchpeopledie.tv/h/suicide/post/196350/female-twitch-streamer-livestreams-her-hanging

I misremembered. She seems to have lost consciousness in like 12 or 13 seconds. But shortly regained consciousness after some decerebrate posturing.

She was likely out of it in the first few seconds. In theory it's highly unlikely to regain consciousness after the decorticate rigidity and decerebrate rigidity movements start which are the 4th and 5th stages of hanging death and indicators of extreme brain damage. You don't go back unless you are let down and interrupted.

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

I don't understand what role the knot plays here if the girl was pressing on the neck with all the weight of her body? After all, because of this, the arteries will be completely clamped and it turns out that it does not matter where the knot is tied and how it was tied?

think of it like the difference between the slip knot and the noose knot. the noose knot tightens from the working or running end, i.e., the loop. whereas the slip knot doesn't. the noose knot will therefore tighten hard upon dropping your weight into the noose, causing much stronger pressure on the neck and ensuring better occlusion of the arteries.

but it doesn't seem to always be necessary, and of course this girl did succeed anyway. I've seen plenty of videos where no noose knot (or equivalent) was used, and they did not regain consciousness and they died. but it's still very good to have. and it seems that those who did not use a noose knot were the ones to regain consciousness during the hanging, at least from the videos i've seen and going from memory. it's like taking Meto for SN. can you do without it? sure, there have been people who pulled it off. but it's nice to have as an insurance policy of sorts. imo having a proper running loop that tightens from the working end should still be something you use.

She was likely out of it in the first few seconds. In theory it's highly unlikely to regain consciousness after the decorticate rigidity and decerebrate rigidity movements start which are the 4th and 5th stages of hanging death and indicators of extreme brain damage. You don't go back unless you are let down and interrupted.

really? but then I'd ask how one would explain her hand movements. to me, they seem really deliberate at times, as the OP of the post also noted in the description. sure there's a good chunk of the video where her hands are doing exactly what I'd expect them to while unconscious (not even talking about posturing/rigidity movements). and i've never seen a generalized convulsion after entering decerebrate posturing, which was that "jolt back into consciousness" that I mentioned. usually a GC is what precedes decerebrate posturing, not the other way around. in fact, if one does not always have a GC either.

either way, it's definitely a strange hanging that I'd consider to be out of the norm. but perhaps i'm just interpreting something that just isn't the case. but i would like to think i know what i'm looking at and talking about.