Discussion Can glamorizing suicide to those who are comitting or stuck to commit, helpful?

[itsmeagain]

I had this thought going through my head. There really is no getting better, at least, that's how I see it, and I feel like my life has doomed me to think this way. The topic may be misleading, but allow me to elaborate or give a more specific instance.

Let's say that someone is in intense physical pain, or that they're diagnosed with a fatal disease that will kill them in a couple weeks.

Death can be nasty. Death can be horrible, because most of the time, we associate death with the unwillingness to die.

But if we associate these kinds of deaths with suicide, and I mean, the suicide where someone is set, there truly is no getting better, wouldn't it be more hurtful than helpful to say that the choice they're making is horrible? I wouldn't suggest news outlets go on and talk about how suicide is fantastic, and how it's a definite solution for x and y problems, because then I'm sure the argument would be something to the effect of "Oh, well a teenager has a breakup and they want to commit suicide out of the shock of it. We should tell them that's okay?!"

I'm not suggesting glamorizing the idea of suicide in general. I'm simply asking... for someone who's going to go through with suicide due to these unfixable, unshakeable concepts that make life hell, that make SO much of their life hell... should we really be telling them things like "You're going to hell. You're a coward. There's nothing for you. You're an idiot."?

Instead... Wouldn't it be better if (and this may be getting into the topic of whether assisted suicide should be legal, but i do NOT want to talk about that since this is going in a different direction), we comforted people with kind words, with the idea that they aren't human scum for making this decision, that they aren't cowards, that they're down to their last straw and they should be delivered from this pain that they go through??

I don't want to start an uproar if some of you may disagree. I'm genuinely at odds with this myself. What made me question this was a youtube video like this:

Some people feel that videos like these help. That, even if there are people like them that feel this way, that instead of encouraging the act, it gives them comfort that they're not damaged or cowards, but instead, that these sorts of feelings happen to even the bravest people. The youngest people. The wealthiest people.

Sometimes, even the happiest people.

 

[WhyIsLife56]

I wonder why people glamorize life. What's so good about it?
If people knew what life is really like, they'd know why people commit suicide every day, every 40 seconds per day.

Suicide is logical and rational reaction to life itself.
What causes someone to commit suicide is the desire and the action of committing suicide, regardless of whether one is suffering, or even when they're happy, or wealthy even.

I think people need to glamorize death more. Death is a beautiful thing

 

[k75]

Suicide should never be glamorized, but everyone should be supported.

 

[Ghost2211]

glamorizing or demonizing suicide are both wrong

 

[TAW122]

I would say ultimately, it should be viewed as neither the right choice nor the wrong choice, but as something that is neutral. This means that it allows the suicidal to decide whether he/she wishes to stay or leave. One of the most important factors that makes a person suicidal is the lack of choice and control. If a person is allowed the freedom of choice, neither discouraged nor encouraged, then the person is able to be more at peace in life and sometimes, having that realization that nobody is pushing them to live or CTB, and that they can always exit anytime they wish. It could even motivate them to live or continue living since they know they have a way out whenever, wherever, however they choose.

I'm pretty sure I'm not only speaking for myself, but others around the world as well. An example of this would be a Belgian girl, age 24 who is set on dying and even after the doctors gave her the greenlight (approval and permission) to die, she changed her mind right before she went through with the process. She did so because she was given a choice and the doctors respected her wishes to die to end her suffering. In most other places in the world, doctors would not allow that and instead would work towards trying to commit her to a psych ward, asylum, and even dehumanize her, violate her rights, and treat her like a criminal. By doing so, it may even push some people over the edge to CTB (when they get a chance to).

 

[itsmeagain]

I wonder why people glamorize life. What's so good about it?
If people knew what life is really like, they'd know why people commit suicide every day, every 40 seconds per day.

Suicide is logical and rational reaction to life itself.
What causes someone to commit suicide is the desire and the action of committing suicide, regardless of whether one is suffering, or even when they're happy, or wealthy even.

I think people need to glamorize death more. Death is a beautiful thing ❤

I'm not so sure. All I know is that some people DO have lives worth living. I don't think everyone should embrace death too strongly, because there are so many healthy, bright people out there and it just hurts that I'm not one of them. But I do agree with suicide being somewhat logical.

I would say ultimately, it should be viewed as neither the right choice nor the wrong choice, but as something that is neutral. This means that it allows the suicidal to decide whether he/she wishes to stay or leave. One of the most important factors that makes a person suicidal is the lack of choice and control. If a person is allowed the freedom of choice, neither discouraged nor encouraged, then the person is able to be more at peace in life and sometimes, having that realization that nobody is pushing them to live or CTB, and that they can always exit anytime they wish. It could even motivate them to live or continue living since they know they have a way out whenever, wherever, however they choose.

I'm pretty sure I'm not only speaking for myself, but others around the world as well. An example of this would be a Belgian girl, age 24 who is set on dying and even after the doctors gave her the greenlight (approval and permission) to die, she changed her mind right before she went through with the process. She did so because she was given a choice and the doctors respected her wishes to die to end her suffering. In most other places in the world, doctors would not allow that and instead would work towards trying to commit her to a psych ward, asylum, and even dehumanize her, violate her rights, and treat her like a criminal. By doing so, it may even push some people over the edge to CTB (when they get a chance to).

I think an even better example would be the site you're talking about right now. People here have choice. Whether they're here if something inside of them wants to actually get help and pull back, or whether they're really going to go for it, It's important that we give people that distinction. That we can either be the helping hands or the comfort when it's time for them to go.

glamorizing or demonizing suicide are both wrong

Why do you think that?

Suicide should never be glamorized, but everyone should be supported.

Why?

 

[k75]

Why?

I'm assuming you're not asking why everyone needs support...

Suicide isn't glamorous or cool or even good, really. It's a drastic way out of a miserable existence. But it's a last resort. It's death. It shouldn't be made to look appealing. It shouldn't be persecuted either.

 

[Deleted member 1465]

I would say ultimately, it should be viewed as neither the right choice nor the wrong choice, but as something that is neutral. This means that it allows the suicidal to decide whether he/she wishes to stay or leave. One of the most important factors that makes a person suicidal is the lack of choice and control. If a person is allowed the freedom of choice, neither discouraged nor encouraged, then the person is able to be more at peace in life and sometimes, having that realization that nobody is pushing them to live or CTB, and that they can always exit anytime they wish. It could even motivate them to live or continue living since they know they have a way out whenever, wherever, however they choose.

I'm pretty sure I'm not only speaking for myself, but others around the world as well. An example of this would be a Belgian girl, age 24 who is set on dying and even after the doctors gave her the greenlight (approval and permission) to die, she changed her mind right before she went through with the process. She did so because she was given a choice and the doctors respected her wishes to die to end her suffering. In most other places in the world, doctors would not allow that and instead would work towards trying to commit her to a psych ward, asylum, and even dehumanize her, violate her rights, and treat her like a criminal. By doing so, it may even push some people over the edge to CTB (when they get a chance to).

That was well put. The story about the Belgium girl demonstrates the power of listening and choice, something the suffering are often deprived of.
This in some ways reminds me of working on the local paper. Our policy was to never offer opinion or try to influence thinking. We gave facts, arguments and counter arguments for each side of the story and let the reader decide. I'd always admired that about our paper when so many people thought of journalists as trash.
Giving people hard facts and letting them have informed choice should neither glamorise or demonise suicide.