Help Can anyone break down the SN method to me? Or in the least answer some questions about it?

[Kukubananas]

Before you ask, I have gone through the mega thread and the pph. I think going through all the pages is what confused me as people were talking about different things all at once. So a breakdown in an ELI5 method would be SO HELPFUL. Or if you could answer the below questions or let me know what your opinions are I'd appreciate it.

So let's start here: I understand that I need SN, an antiemetic and possibly an acid regulator. Also that you need to have an empty stomach at least 12 hours beforehand.

My follow up questions:
Antiemetic - besides online, is there an OTC alternative? Should I not be able to get an antiemetic what are the chances of throwing up because I THINK in the pph it said there was a low chance of this.

Acid regulator - again, is this possible in an OTC alternative? Without it, do you think it would still be possible to CTB?

Routine - apparently there's a routine of sorts that you must do in the days leading to taking sn. What do you recommend this should look like?

Alcohol - will getting drunk have any affect on this process? Which leads to the next question...

Sn - if I were to (say an hour before) measure out my sn so I could easily have a measured out amount to mix in with water would it have any affect on the toxicity? If alcohol affects the toxicity what about something like a sleeping pill? What about weed and do you think it would help with the side effects? What do you recommend taking right after to get the taste out of your mouth?

* also I'm in Canada but near a border city in the US, so if any recommendations based on OTC pills could come first that would be extremely helpful!

EDIT: also what even IS dmso and how does it apply to SN if it's not what you technically even need for this method

 

[Johnnythefox]

also what even IS dmso and how does it apply to SN if it's not what you technically even need for this method

You don't need DMSO with SN, this is the latest fad being touted.

 

[Boonks]

Great thread, thank you. Following

 

[3cookies]

Very interested following. I think this will be my method as well soon as my affairs are in order.

 

[Meretlein]

Tagamet (the acid regulator) is OTC, I think you can buy the generic version on Amazon. You can get antiemetics from some online pharmacies and on ebay. Alcoholics and trans people trying to transition themselves get the drugs they want from a site called alldaychemist.

 

[tiggles2000]

DMSO basically removes the need for antiemetics. It allows the SN to travel through the membrane of your stomach and directly into the bloodstream.

When I CTB (possibly in 3 days time) I will be fasting for probably 36 hours, and no fluids for 12, then mixing the SN and DMSO, then drinking. From my research, I should be unconscious in <60 mins and unable to resuscitate a couple of hours after that.

 

[Meretlein]

DMSO basically removes the need for antiemetics. It allows the SN to travel through the membrane of your stomach and directly into the bloodstream.

When I CTB (possibly in 3 days time) I will be fasting for probably 36 hours, and no fluids for 12, then mixing the SN and DMSO, then drinking. From my research, I should be unconscious in <60 mins and unable to resuscitate a couple of hours after that.

Does drinking water ruin the suicide attempt? I vaguely remember the PPH telling people doing an SN suicide not to drink water.

 

[tiggles2000]

If you use DMSO, definitely no water. If not, it is recommended you don't, apart from the water you use to dissolve the SN in. For 20g SN, you only need 100mL water.

 

[Its911]

Before you ask, I have gone through the mega thread and the pph. I think going through all the pages is what confused me as people were talking about different things all at once. So a breakdown in an ELI5 method would be SO HELPFUL. Or if you could answer the below questions or let me know what your opinions are I'd appreciate it.

So let's start here: I understand that I need SN, an antiemetic and possibly an acid regulator. Also that you need to have an empty stomach at least 12 hours beforehand.

My follow up questions:
Antiemetic - besides online, is there an OTC alternative? Should I not be able to get an antiemetic what are the chances of throwing up because I THINK in the pph it said there was a low chance of this.

Acid regulator - again, is this possible in an OTC alternative? Without it, do you think it would still be possible to CTB?

Routine - apparently there's a routine of sorts that you must do in the days leading to taking sn. What do you recommend this should look like?

Alcohol - will getting drunk have any affect on this process? Which leads to the next question...

Sn - if I were to (say an hour before) measure out my sn so I could easily have a measured out amount to mix in with water would it have any affect on the toxicity? If alcohol affects the toxicity what about something like a sleeping pill? What about weed and do you think it would help with the side effects? What do you recommend taking right after to get the taste out of your mouth?

* also I'm in Canada but near a border city in the US, so if any recommendations based on OTC pills could come first that would be extremely helpful!

EDIT: also what even IS dmso and how does it apply to SN if it's not what you technically even need for this method

You DO need an anti-emetic with out it there is a HIGH chance of vomiting the SN! The best one is Prochlorperazine but its difficult to get. A good anti-emetics is Metoclopramide(meto) or Domperidone. When you get the anti emetic make sure its a dopamine blocker. Meto is the preferd one.

Tagamet is one of the best OTC acid regulators. Its also very easy to find.

The routine depends up to you but from what i have gathered most people start 48-36 hours before hand with the anti-emetics and the tagamet(some people dont eat in these last 48-36 hours the emptier the stomach the better) the last 12 hours avoid ALL liquids, about an hour before mixing the SN (start fasting with the anti-emetic and tagamet) for 20g of SN you need 100ml of WATER dont use soda or juices.

Dr. Nitschke's advice: Take 20 mg Metoclopramide every 8 hours, i.e. 3 times per day, starting 48 hours in advance. Take the last dose of Metoclopramide 45-60 min before the drug ingestion.


If you dont want to do a 48-36hr you can STAT dose 40 min prior to drug ingestion, take 60 mg Metoclopramide.

Dont open the SN until your ready to mix, because you will spoil it. First measure the 100ml then the 20g SN- start the mix it should dissolve almost completely after mixing.

Then its just a matter of bottoms up.

If vomiting does occur, the individual should bring up (vomit up) as much of the drug from their stomach as they can and the attempt to end their life should be abandoned. Ipecac Syrup can be used to encourage vomiting. It may be advisable to have some on hand. Ipecac can be readily obtained from the local pharmacy."

There was a post the other day about someone that wanted to mix 30g of SN in 100ml. 100ml is intended for 20g only, if you add more SN you might get clump build up as you would need more liquid.

For 30g its 150ml (based on the math)
However i dont know how this change would affect the anti emetic and the acid regulators capacity to intake 10 more grams than the intended dose of 20g. SN.

You may be ok or you might end up vomiting it all up, stick to the methods dont deviate. Hope this helps a bit.


DONT DRINK ANY LIQUIDS, NO ALCOHOL, NOTHING!!! AND NOOO WEED(i cant believe i just said that) theres a lot of conflicting information on this but the cleaner the stomach the faster the SN is processed into your body.

You can use Honey to mask the bad taste 2-3 teaspoons before drinking. To coat the tongue.


All this information you can read here....

This is for the antiemetic regimen.
https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Suicide/Toxification/Antiemetic_regimen

 

[Its911]

Does drinking water ruin the suicide attempt? I vaguely remember the PPH telling people doing an SN suicide not to drink water.

You cant drink any liquids during a SN method except the /ml intended to mix the SN. As this will lead to having more liquid in your stomach and making the SN take longer to enter the bodys blood stream. It may even botch the attempt, so stay away from liquids and foods the emptier the stomach the better.

 

[Jupiter]

DMSO basically removes the need for antiemetics.

Where did you get that from?

 

[OfficerK]

Where did you get that from?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071541/
https://www.healthline.com/health/methemoglobinemia#symptoms

These sources list nausea as a symptom of methemoglobinemia itself, so administering SN by DMSO can still lead to vomiting.

 

[Jupiter]

This source even indicates that DMSO can lead to nausea and vomiting.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23615140/

I think people should dismiss the idea of drinking a whole glass of DMSO when taking SN.

 

[Its911]

This source even indicates that DMSO can lead to nausea and vomiting.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23615140/

I think people should dismiss the idea of drinking a whole glass of DMSO when taking SN.

I dont know where this DMSO rumor started but it should be dismissed there are plenty of antiemetic dopamine blockers that are easily accessible.

 

[OfficerK]

I dont know where this DMSO rumor started but it should be dismissed there are plenty of antiemetic dopamine blockers that are easily accessible.

They require a prescription in many countries, though that's not that hard to get if you're willing to lie to your doctor. You can also buy it off EBay and hope that it slips through customs.

 

[whatever1111]

https://apcpure.com/product/sodium_nitrite_99_5 would this do the trick?
how to go about getting the antiemetics which are not OTC? sorry for beginner questions, I just started thinking about SN

 

[JustAboutDone]

https://apcpure.com/product/sodium_nitrite_99_5 would this do the trick?
how to go about getting the antiemetics which are not OTC? sorry for beginner questions, I just started thinking about SN

Hope someone can help my buddy @whatever1111 has anyone bought from this seller?

 

[JustAboutDone]

@whatever1111

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-megathread.1156/

Have a look at first page, any trouble with language do ask x

 

[ArtsyDrawer]

Tagamet (the acid regulator) is OTC, I think you can buy the generic version on Amazon. You can get antiemetics from some online pharmacies and on ebay. Alcoholics and trans people trying to transition themselves get the drugs they want from a site called alldaychemist.

I saw it too. They say their stuff requires a doctor's note, but will they ship without one?

 

[JustAboutDone]

Hope someone can help my buddy @whatever1111 has anyone bought from this seller?

@whatever1111

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-megathread.1156/page-44#post-240684

 

[Johnnythefox]

https://apcpure.com/product/sodium_nitrite_99_5 would this do the trick?
how to go about getting the antiemetics which are not OTC? sorry for beginner questions, I just started thinking about SN

I purchased from this site, they deliver it via their own courier, they are a totally legit site. I'm assuming you are in the UK, primperan can be bought on eBay from the Greek, I had no problem receiving it.
People advise tagamet also, I think zantac does the same job, but don't take my word as gospel..

 

[Didymus]

...
Alcohol - will getting drunk have any affect on this process? Which leads to the next question...
...

I would also like to know if alcohol can be used before taking SN + water

 

[Johnnythefox]

I don't think alcohol is recommended with SN as it would increase the likelihood of vomiting.

 

[Dragon]

There's way too much misinformation that gets thrown around on here. You do not need to prep for three days with meto. I have no idea how this rumor started. It even says RIGHT in the PPH that you need 30 mg of meto and 800 mg about 30 minutes prior. 45-60 minutes is better just as a precaution to make sure that everything has taken effect. It does not even make sense why you would take it every 8 hours for three days. It makes no sense at all. All you are doing is wasting the meto and wasting your time. The effects of a drug only last so many hours. Whatever meto you took fucking 48 hours prior is not even still in your system ffs. And I have no idea how this DMSO/SN rumor started either aside from one ridiculous thread posted by someone who allegedly did an experiment with it (when they weren't even trying to ctb) and then allegedly almost died five minutes later and went to the ER. There is absolutely NO connection between SN and DMSO.

It is beyond me why anyone would NOT follow the instructions. Then again, many people on here don't seem to think that is important....which is literally the reason for every person who failed with SN. And then to top it off, when they fail....other people suddenly appear on their thread saying "oh I'm having second thoughts about SN now. Too many people have failed. Stuff like this worries me." FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS. THE PEOPLE WHO FAILED DID NOT FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS. It blows my mind. People are even mixing SN IN WITH THE DMSO. There was a thread recently and the person was so confused as to why the SN wasn't dissolving. Maybe it's because you are supposed to mix the SN with 50-100ml of WATER. This is not complicated.

You need to fast for at least 8 hours. After that, nothing but water. A small amount of alcohol such as a glass of wine before hand is maybe okay, as people have done it and they still ctb...but it still personally worries me because PN specifically says the SN should ONLY BE DRANK WITH WATER. Things like juice, soda and alcohol all have a high acidity content which CAN AND WILL INTERFERE WITH THE PROCESS.

Fast for 8 hours.
About an hour before SN take 30 mg of meto and 800 mg of tagamet
Mix 15 grams of SN in 100ml of water

If you are able to get benzos, they will help to ease any panic as well as help you to lose consciousness as quickly as possible.
They also help to protect against seizures, which is ideal

Some people go with more than 15 grams of SN. While this may potentially be necessary for someone who is very overweight (or just a very large person in general), or someone with an unusually high amount of hemoglobin, 15 grams is the amount in the PPH. Let us not forget that the regimen was initially only 10 grams of SN, as well as only 20 mg of meto. Both were ALREADY increased to 15 grams and 30 mg. While ideally no seizures should happen until you are already unconscious, this is not necessarily true. Some people are more prone to seizures than others. Also, a higher dose of SN is more likely to cause seizures before you lose consciousness, as well as more likely to cause vomiting. 15 grams is more than enough.

I can't fathom why anyone would be messing around with this. Do it the way you are supposed to. Everyone who followed the instructions is dead. Everyone who failed did not follow the instructions. It is not even a matter of question or debate.

 

[OfficerK]

It's mentioned on the wiki page because someone from this forum put it there.

Someone from this forum also once suggested "suicide by tiger."

Aside from the fact that a 2-3 day regimen make no sense at all, if it were necessary then PN would have put it in the PPH. For some reason there is a repeating pattern on this forum with people attempting SN...not doing ANYTHING the way Nitschke says to do it...and then being flabbergasted when they fail.

This is itself is mind blowing enough.

But it's even more mind blowing how many users here look at this idiocy and then seriously start "having doubts about SN" because of people who didn't even bother to do it right.


Everyone who did it right is dead.

The page I linked to is not related to this forum.

 

[Roberto]

DMSO basically removes the need for antiemetics. It allows the SN to travel through the membrane of your stomach and directly into the bloodstream.

When I CTB (possibly in 3 days time) I will be fasting for probably 36 hours, and no fluids for 12, then mixing the SN and DMSO, then drinking. From my research, I should be unconscious in <60 mins and unable to resuscitate a couple of hours after that.

I would not recommend DMSO. The people who tried vomited. Reported in this site. So if DMSO is for not using anti-emetics, it doesn't work. If you have info, proving so, please, insert the links. I would use the official method of the Wiki.

 

[Dragon]

The page I linked to is not related to this forum.

I know, but the suicide wiki that @Failed in life posted is.

 

[Jupiter]

I would not recommend DMSO. The people who tried vomited. Reported in this site. So if DMSO is for not using anti-emetics, it doesn't work. If you have info, proving so, please, insert the links. I would use the official method of the Wiki.

Is this nonsense about DMSO working as an anti emetic still floating around?

 

[GeorgeJL]

DMSO gets absorbed through the skin. And it acts as a carrier of other drugs that applied topically together the DMSO will help the drugs get absorbed transdermally faster. Also alldaychemist.com has anti-emetics without a script.

 

[Kukubananas]

Thanks for everyone's responses. A few things I'd still like clarified if possible:

• any alternative to meto? I know there's meclizine but I have no idea if that even works.
• if meclizine woildnt work what would you suggest? Do you think not taking an antiemetic would result in failure?