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Let me start by saying that I live in Alberta. I've applied for MAiD and been turned down. I've since talked to my MP, my MLA, Alberta Health Services and the Ministry of Mental Health and Addictions. I've explained to them that I work jobs that I hate to sustain a life I don't want and it would be nice if they could pay my rent and my groceries if they're going to force me to live. They pretty much just plug their ears and go "na na na I can't hear you" but the people at 988 will actually pretend to listen and attempt to justify the wicked work they do.

I start off by saying "I have a suicide crisis. I really want to die, but I can't get access to the means for a humane and effective self-chosen end". I very calmly and logically state my position and I repeat as many times as necessary that I can't just die and that's the whole problem. This is important so that they don't call the cops. It also ties into the next part: "safety".

These people use the word "safety" and talk about "keeping you safe" and "working on a safety plan" a whole fuck of a lot. It's important to not let them get away with this abuse of the language. Again, I don't get viscerally angry, but sarcasm can be used here. When they ask if I'm safe, my answer is usually "no one is safe as long as the mental health act is in effect". They get a bit confused and try to rephrase the question. "Would you like to work on a safety plan"? Now, I do this a lot, so I've had multiple answers for this. "That sounds a whole lot like participating in my own slavery, so no thank you." Or "oh, there's no need. My 'safety' is already locked in. That's the crisis I'm calling with. I'm totally 'safe'." Using sarcasm when using the word 'safe' is really important.

What else is really important is informing these altruistic dumbells is the difference between facts, feelings and opinions. Any fact they don't like, they try to reframe as an opinion or a feeling. I don't let them do that. Not without a fight.

Finally, I break down how suicide prevention constitutes slavery. If a person owns a thing, they can destroy that thing for whatever reason they see fit or for no reason at all. Since the state is relieving me of the ability to destroy myself, they take on the burden of owning my life, rendering me state property. Then I tell them to give themselves a pat on the back for all the good work they do.

They'll remind me that no one is making me call them. Then I'll remind them that whether I called them or not, forcible suicide prevention would still be in effect. They'll assure me that they would only call the cops as a last resort. Then I'll assure them that such a thing still constitutes the use of force. They try to deny this because they see themselves as people who value consent. Thing is, if you can't consent to death on your own terms, then your whole life is in violation of your consent, so every single thing you do is done without your consent.

They usually don't appreciate the conversation.
 
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I would avoid calling these hotlines in any situation because they are extremely dangerous and above the law. They have a track record of arresting people and imprisoning them simply for saying they're suicidal, it's gross and extremely toxic. So I would recommend against doing this. But I agree, these hotlines and the people who run them are completely clueless, they are just quack counsellors who shouldn't be in the positions they're in.
 
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Do you think it would be better to just not have them? Or, would you prefer it if they just said different things? Like what though?

It seems like you call them for a philosophical debate rather than for 'help'. I'm guessing you want them to conceed that you ought to be able to kill yourself because you hate working to pay for a life you also hate. I suppose their job role is to try to find solutions though. Not to sanction suicide.

I do happen to share your opinion of life incidentally. But, I wouldn't ring a pro-life helpline in the hopes of persuading them.

Is the goal to waste their time so that they don't spread 'harm' in answering other people's calls? Or, to make them question their own thinking to aknowledge that some people are justified in wanting to kill themselves and, ought to be left to it?

How do you know that the person trying to get through to them at the same time as you has the same problem with life though? What if they actually find meaning from their job but, they are struggling with other solveable issues?

I imagine they help some people, so I don't have so much against them personally. I wouldn't ring one from choice though because- I don't want to be talked out of it. I do find it a little curious when people seem shocked when they phone a 'suicide prevention line' and the person on the other end tries to prevent their suicide. It's like- it does what it says on the tin!

With regards to suicide prevention. Yes, it's frustrating but it's inevitble really while assisted suicide isn't legalised and regulated. Seeing as I imagine it is possible for people to suicide impulsively or during psychosis, under the influence, as a minor- they likely will prohibit all the suicides they possibly can.

As to the concept of wage slavery. I also happen to agree that it isn't fair. It's a tricky one to sway public opinion on though. I'm not sure targetting helplines would be all that effective. It's a bit like destroying all stocks of sticky plasters because a fraction of the population is allergic to latex. Surely, the better thing is to warn those with allegies not to use them and raise awareness.

Maybe that would be the most effective thing. If people were able to be more honest about hating to pay for lives they also hate. I actually think campaigning for assisted suicide is the most effective thing we could be doing. Still- I doubt it would become available to 'healthy' adults who just want out. The other side of things is anti-natilism. Stop the problem at source but again, I doubt we could sway natilists either.
 
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Do you think it would be better to just not have them? Or, would you prefer it if they just said different things? Like what though?

It seems like you call them for a philosophical debate rather than for 'help'. I'm guessing you want them to conceed that you ought to be able to kill yourself because you hate working to pay for a life you also hate. I suppose their job role is to try to find solutions though. Not to sanction suicide.

I do happen to share your opinion of life incidentally. But, I wouldn't ring a pro-life helpline in the hopes of persuading them.

Is the goal to waste their time so that they don't spread 'harm' in answering other people's calls? Or, to make them question their own thinking to aknowledge that some people are justified in wanting to kill themselves and, ought to be left to it?

How do you know that the person trying to get through to them at the same time as you has the same problem with life though? What if they actually find meaning from their job but, they are struggling with other solveable issues?

I imagine they help some people, so I don't have so much against them personally. I wouldn't ring one from choice though because- I don't want to be talked out of it. I do find it a little curious when people seem shocked when they phone a 'suicide prevention line' and the person on the other end tries to prevent their suicide. It's like- it does what it says on the tin!

With regards to suicide prevention. Yes, it's frustrating but it's inevitble really while assisted suicide isn't legalised and regulated. Seeing as I imagine it is possible for people to suicide impulsively or during psychosis, under the influence, as a minor- they likely will prohibit all the suicides they possibly can.

As to the concept of wage slavery. I also happen to agree that it isn't fair. It's a tricky one to sway public opinion on though. I'm not sure targetting helplines would be all that effective. It's a bit like destroying all stocks of sticky plasters because a fraction of the population is allergic to latex. Surely, the better thing is to warn those with allegies not to use them and raise awareness.

Maybe that would be the most effective thing. If people were able to be more honest about hating to pay for lives they also hate. I actually think campaigning for assisted suicide is the most effective thing we could be doing. Still- I doubt it would become available to 'healthy' adults who just want out. The other side of things is anti-natilism. Stop the problem at source but again, I doubt we could sway natilists either.
So, to answer your questions and rebut your statements: yes, I'm calling to try to get them to reconsider what they're doing. No, I'm not trying to prevent them from "helping" other people. They have plenty of responders. Everyone who wants to talk to these fools can do so. I'm not surprised that their mandate is to prevent suicides, but every single time I google "right to die" I get a notification to call them, so i do. He'll, I'm even getting ads for it on YouTube.

Now, in regards to advocacy for assisted suicide: no. Advocacy would be better focused on the negative liberty right to access the means we want for ourselves. It doesn't matter if people are out of sorts sometimes. Our bodies, our choice, period. If there's a suicide booth on every corner, people who are afraid of the choices they might make can take whatever precautions they need to. My freedom to do what I want with my body is paramount, not their wishy-washy cowardice.
 
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