Buying your Exit Bag ?

[Arak]

I think I saw something about a person who sold or gave away 'exit bags'.

If you were to do that, you'd better get the right product. Anyone ?

 

[Jodes]

I think I saw something about a person who sold or gave away 'exit bags'.

If you were to do that, you'd better get the right product. Anyone ?

Against the rules, so not here surely?

 

[Jen Erik]

The Gladd Bag is no longer in trade, something to do with attracting too much attention from the authorities.

 

[Trashcan]

If anyone finds out, please PM me. I have everything I need except the bag being set up.

 

[dog3000]

PPeH recommends plastic PVC bag: 35cm x 50cm x 50 micron . I find 35cm a little small. 40-50cm seems better.

 

[TiredHorse]

They are not at all difficult to make. Seriously, even Wikipedia has instructions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bag

Or the image itself, if you're visually oriented like me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bag#/media/File:Suicide-bag.png

The only difficulty I had was figuring out where in the supermarket they kept the turkey roasting bags: in with the ziplocks and cling-wrap.

 

[Arak]

I just recall a vid about a woman making and selling (?) exit bags. Not sure if it was 'Gladd'

 

[Final Escape]

I made my own. I followed the directions on the videos with Chi and Betty. It looks harder than it is. It's really pretty easy. Just try to do exactly what they do even if not perfect u will figure it out as u do it. The only part that tripped me up a bit was the two pieces of tape and then cutting a slit to put the elastic through. I was struggling a little getting the elastic through the taped bottom and getting the elastic through the toggles. I ordered it all on amazon besides the cooking bag.

 

[Jodes]

I made my own. I followed the directions on the videos with Chi and Betty. It looks harder than it is. It's really pretty easy. Just try to do exactly what they do even if not perfect u will figure it out as u do it. The only part that tripped me up a bit was the two pieces of tape and then cutting a slit to put the elastic through. I was struggling a little getting the elastic through the taped bottom and getting the elastic through the toggles. I ordered it all on amazon besides the cooking bag.

I wonder if there's an alternative way for the elastic?

 

[TiredHorse]

I wonder if there's an alternative way for the elastic?

Do NOT substitute anything for the elastic!

The elastic is important: it allows a snug fit both around your brow, while the bag is filling, and then around your neck, after you pull the bag down into place. In particular, it provides a flexible seal that simultaneously keeps an adequate pocket of inert gas in the bag and allows the excess inert gas to escape past the elastic, thus flushing away the CO2 that would otherwise trigger the hypercapnic alarm.

If you mean an alternative way to thread the elastic through the tube at the "hem" of the bag, you can do a couple different things:

1) Tape the end of the elastic to something like a pencil stub, that works like a needle, allowing you to work the "needle" through the tube, pulling the elastic along behind it. That's easier than trying to thread the elastic on its own.

2) Roll the edge of the bag into a tube, but don't tape it. Nip the slot in the tube for the elastic to protrude from. Unroll the tube, put the elastic in position, and roll the tube again, this time with the elastic in place, and tape it.

(Can you tell I've spent too much time sewing? It's astonishing how life skills can be applied to ctb preparations.)

 

[Jodes]

Do NOT substitute anything for the elastic!

The elastic is important: it allows a snug fit both around your brow, while the bag is filling, and then around your neck, after you pull the bag down into place. In particular, it provides a flexible seal that simultaneously keeps an adequate pocket of inert gas in the bag and allows the excess inert gas to escape past the elastic, thus flushing away the CO2 that would otherwise trigger the hypercapnic alarm.

If you mean an alternative way to thread the elastic through the tube at the "hem" of the bag, you can do a couple different things:

1) Tape the end of the elastic to something like a pencil stub, that works like a needle, allowing you to work the "needle" through the tube, pulling the elastic along behind it. That's easier than trying to thread the elastic on its own.

2) Roll the edge of the bag into a tube, but don't tape it. Nip the slot in the tube for the elastic to protrude from. Unroll the tube, put the elastic in position, and roll the tube again, this time with the elastic in place, and tape it.

(Can you tell I've spent too much time sewing? It's astonishing how life skills can be applied to ctb preparations.)

I would have sewn on my last attempt! Only had small argon bottles, so thought emptying them into a huge plastic bagnwas a good idea, connect it to a face mask with a valve. Not sure why it failed but gaffer taping that bag took ages.

 

[TiredHorse]

I would have sewn on my last attempt! Only had small argon bottles, so thought emptying them into a huge plastic bagnwas a good idea, connect it to a face mask with a valve. Not sure why it failed but gaffer taping that bag took ages.

Either you're having fun jerking my chain, or it sounds like you did several things a little too far off the standard.

"small argon bottles" = inadequate supply of inert gas.
"emptying them" = you need to keep the gas flowing, flushing away the CO2, or else the CO2 that collects will trip your hypercapnic alarm.
"into a huge plastic bag" = too much space, too little gas.
"connect it to a face mask" = masks don't generally work; they allow too much air intrusion.
"with a valve" = you don't need a valve; you need a stead flow of inert gas to keep flushing away the CO2.
"gaffer taping that bag" = the seal must be flexible to allow the Ar to flush away the CO2.
"took ages." = more time for the CO2 to build up.

I don't like tooting my own horn, but: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag-and-inert-gas-basics.8393/

 

[Jodes]

Not jerking, man.
I totally wantedm(and expected) to go , maybe time dilation, maybe evennpassed out, hard yo know.

I didnt fully understand all your questions, does this answer it?

1. I used 6x 1L argon bottles Because they were easier to get, and very discrete ordered in pairs - for receiving in case my family answer the door to the postman - and for discrere storing. I used the bag as reservoir for all 6L, approx 1 cubic meter.
2. Emptying: I made my own mask which did this well. No alarm after at least 40 seconds before i just gave up. Could have stated longer, was perfectly comfortabke
3. Bag was empty then filled, so had no air. It was merely storage, mybgead foes not go i nit. Argon may have leaked out but thats it. When vreathing in, the task took from the bag. Breathing out, itvrekeasef it into the air. I checked the valves very carefully
4. As above
5. As above
6. The bag was flexible enough?!
7 what CO2? It all goes straight out the mask

Believe?

 

[TiredHorse]

Hmh. I dunno. Your apparatus was so different from what I know as the standard approach that I need to get off my soapbox, shrug, and acknowledge that I don't really know how to troubleshoot it. I apologize; I shouldn't have been so quick to get my oar in the water.

 

[Jodes]

Hmh. I dunno. Your apparatus was so different from what I know as the standard approach that I need to get off my soapbox, shrug, and acknowledge that I don't really know how to troubleshoot it. I apologize; I shouldn't have been so quick to get my oar in the water.

No Im glad you did, (not that you did!) :-) I have always wanted feedback but tpwas too socially awkward

 

[Smilla]

I just recall a vid about a woman making and selling (?) exit bags. Not sure if it was 'Gladd'

It was Gladd yes. FBI put her out of business long ago and if I recall she was in her late 80s at the time—they raided her house after a 29 year old man from Oregon purchased one of her bags, used it and died— family alerted authorities because as usual they wanted someone to blame.

This is why if you find someone on here or elsewhere and make a private transaction for supplies or drugs to please destroy the evidence so the source can't be traced.

 

[Arak]

Anything someone wants to add to the PPEH handbook's instructions for this bag/method ?

 

[crova]

PPeH recommends plastic PVC bag: 35cm x 50cm x 50 micron . I find 35cm a little small. 40-50cm seems better.

50 microns is very thin for a bag! Easy to puncture or damage.

Get something proper - for example heavy duty shopping bags are +-250 microns
This is mine, I used elastic cord from my backpack and Ive got my bags from Ebay [It was not easy to find the right size and heavy duty]

 

[TiredHorse]

50 microns is very thin for a bag! Easy to puncture or damage.

It all depends on the material. Some plastics are gas permeable even in very heavy weights; mylar is very strong (and used for balloons) even when it's very thin.

Looking at my bag, made from the turkey roaster bag PPEH recommends, it is adequately durable for its (theoretically) one-time use (I've made several attempts and it's just fine). That's what the Gladd Bag lady used. It is a well proven design. Unless you plan to ctb in the middle of a thorny bramble thicket, it doesn't need to be very thick!

I want to point out here that for all its flaws --specifically, the variability of its advice on antiemetics, etc.-- the PPEH is a reliable source of reliable methods. I've only been here at ss for a couple months, but a common trait of failed attempts to ctb has been people deviating from known "best practices." Anyone building an exit bag/inert gas apparatus would be smart to start by building one as close to the recommended design as possible.

Multiple gas cylinders demand a cascade system to function properly. Other designs of exit bag may not create the proper CO2-free atmosphere. I've even heard of people trying to use an inert gas system without a regulator/flowmeter. Bluntly, these changes to the basic system reduce your chances to ctb.

Bottom line: The PPEH system is proven to work when constructed and used as directed. As soon as you deviate from it in any detail, you increase your chance of failure.

 

[crova]

It all depends on the material. Some plastics are gas permeable even in very heavy weights; mylar is very strong (and used for balloons) even when it's very thin.

Looking at my bag, made from the turkey roaster bag PPEH recommends, it is adequately durable for its (theoretically) one-time use (I've made several attempts and it's just fine). That's what the Gladd Bag lady used. It is a well proven design. Unless you plan to ctb in the middle of a thorny bramble thicket, it doesn't need to be very thick!

I want to point out here that for all its flaws --specifically, the variability of its advice on antiemetics, etc.-- the PPEH is a reliable source of reliable methods. I've only been here at ss for a couple months, but a common trait of failed attempts to ctb has been people deviating from known "best practices." Anyone building an exit bag/inert gas apparatus would be smart to start by building one as close to the recommended design as possible.

Multiple gas cylinders demand a cascade system to function properly. Other designs of exit bag may not create the proper CO2-free atmosphere. I've even heard of people trying to use an inert gas system without a regulator/flowmeter. Bluntly, these changes to the basic system reduce your chances to ctb.

Bottom line: The PPEH system is proven to work when constructed and used as directed. As soon as you deviate from it in any detail, you increase your chance of failure.

You right. It doesn't need to be very thick. I only wanted to point out 50microns is very thin:
too thin to be safely used with this method [shaky hands in the final seconds]
I used ethylene bag [200microns] and I'm quite positive it will work well [tested, all feel good]
A tank of nitrogen 1.6m3 and good quality flow meter - tested and working.
I will strap myself to my computer chair and zip tie my hands to my belt when everything is set.

I will read your detailed instruction several times before Im ready to kick out - and
I want to thank you for what you have done here for us. I really appreciate it.

 

[TiredHorse]

I will read your detailed instruction several times before Im ready to kick out - and
I want to thank you for what you have done here for us. I really appreciate it.

It's so damned frustrating to fail --exhausting and demoralizing at our lowest point-- that I'm hopeful I can provide some help avoiding that anguish.

I wish you --and everyone here-- the best of luck in finding the peace we all crave. If that can be found in life, so much the better, but if that peace is only available in death, it should at least be a death that doesn't prolong or worsen our misery.

 

[Jen Erik]

Anything someone wants to add to the PPEH handbook's instructions for this bag/method ?

'Five Last Acts' provides more thorough information regarding bag construction; PPeH is quite sparse in my opinion.

 

[Jenna]

The Gladd Bag is no longer in trade, something to do with attracting too much attention from the authorities.

The lady that made them passed away but I think they had stopped her before then since someone 20 had bought one for depression.

 

[Arak]

@Jen Erik ,

I just downloaded that from the resources section. I don't immediately see that information and the electronic version may not be complete, but I'll check later.

 

[Johnnythefox]

Betty shows how it's done.