Resource Book: Suicide what really happens in the afterlife?

[greyhound]

So I just finished reading this book (well I skipped the last half that deals with murder-suicide and terrorist cases):

Suicide

This provocative study explores what happens to those who commit suicide. Drawing on communications from the spirits of more than 100 'su...

www.goodreads.com

The book's idea is to summarize all the channelled communications with spirits 'on the other side' to try to get an idea of what happens to those who commit suicide.

I have to admit reading this has made me even more depressed. The messages are almost all negative, saying the people that commit suicide are tormented for ages on the other side. Regretful of their decision, bring all their psychological problems with them, etc. Some say they have to wander earth until the time their 'natural' life would have ended, whatever that means.

Even in the case of assisted suicide the messages were almost entirely negative, saying somehow it messes up your karma to 'escape' from the extreme suffering of terminal illness. A handful of messages do seem to say assisted suicide in this case is ok, but definitely a minority.

I'm definitely somewhat upset after reading this. I knew that pretty much all organized religions condemn suicide but I was hoping that more 'new agey' stuff like this book would be more positive. In my case I'm ill and feel like I'm pretty much at the limit of what I can take in this body, but I'm not terminally ill. The thought of having to live out the remainder of my natural life in this state is terrifying to me, but so is the idea of becoming some kind of tormented earth bound ghost.

I don't know how much stock to put in these channelled communications. In general channelled stuff is incredibly contradictory about the nature of the afterlife. Furthermore the attitudes seem to have shifted over time since the 1800s, indicating it reflects the cultural biases of the channeler's unconscious mind. Yet I do think some of the channelled stuff in general does seem legit and I'm hesitant to completely discard all of it.

 

[StringPuppet]

New age charlatans have to condemn suicide because they won't be able to sell you the secrets of a happy life if you're dead

 

[TheGoodGuy]

What a scam and the author probably got rich selling it to a lot of a lot of religious people who believes in adult Santa Claus, I´m sorry it made you think that way but obviously after reading such things if you have an open mind to such things it has the possibility to affect you, I recommend watching this video maybe even a few times it will most likely put your mind at ease.

 

[Meditation guide]

I have to admit reading this has made me even more depressed. The messages are almost all negative, saying the people that commit suicide are tormented for ages on the other side. Regretful of their decision, bring all their psychological problems with them, etc. Some say they have to wander earth until the time their 'natural' life would have ended, whatever that means.

Even in the case of assisted suicide the messages were almost entirely negative, saying somehow it messes up your karma to 'escape' from the extreme suffering of terminal illness. A handful of messages do seem to say assisted suicide in this case is ok, but definitely a minority.

I assure you this is entirely bullshit. I have my reason to believe this 100%.

 

[greyhound]

What a scam and the author probably got rich selling it to a lot of a lot of religious people who believes in adult Santa Claus, I´m sorry it made you think that way but obviously after reading such things if you have an open mind to such things it has the possibility to affect you, I recommend watching this video maybe even a few times it will most likely put your mind at ease.

Thanks I like Alan Watts.

New age charlatans have to condemn suicide because they won't be able to sell you the secrets of a happy life if you're dead

The authors are just referencing other books that have been written over the past 120 years. I didn't get a pro-life vibe from them, they almost seem to be a bit shocked themselves at the harshness of some of the messages condemning suicide.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

Thanks I like Alan Watts.

Me too I have listened to many of his lectures but this one is my favorite and really blew my mind in a good and comforting way.

 

[greyhound]

I assure you this is entirely bullshit. I have my reason to believe this 100%.

I really want to believe it is bullshit. However part of the motivation for me to commit suicide is due to the evidence of there being an afterlife, of which a decent chunk of evidence comes from channelled info from dead people that is verified to be accurate later. If I accept channeling as valid, I can't really turn around and ignore the stuff I don't want to hear.

 

[Time to fly]

So I just finished reading this book (well I skipped the last half that deals with murder-suicide and terrorist cases):

Suicide

This provocative study explores what happens to those who commit suicide. Drawing on communications from the spirits of more than 100 'su...

www.goodreads.com

The book's idea is to summarize all the channelled communications with spirits 'on the other side' to try to get an idea of what happens to those who commit suicide.

I have to admit reading this has made me even more depressed. The messages are almost all negative, saying the people that commit suicide are tormented for ages on the other side. Regretful of their decision, bring all their psychological problems with them, etc. Some say they have to wander earth until the time their 'natural' life would have ended, whatever that means.

Even in the case of assisted suicide the messages were almost entirely negative, saying somehow it messes up your karma to 'escape' from the extreme suffering of terminal illness. A handful of messages do seem to say assisted suicide in this case is ok, but definitely a minority.

I'm definitely somewhat upset after reading this. I knew that pretty much all organized religions condemn suicide but I was hoping that more 'new agey' stuff like this book would be more positive. In my case I'm ill and feel like I'm pretty much at the limit of what I can take in this body, but I'm not terminally ill. The thought of having to live out the remainder of my natural life in this state is terrifying to me, but so is the idea of becoming some kind of tormented earth bound ghost.

I don't know how much stock to put in these channelled communications. In general channelled stuff is incredibly contradictory about the nature of the afterlife. Furthermore the attitudes seem to have shifted over time since the 1800s, indicating it reflects the cultural biases of the channeler's unconscious mind. Yet I do think some of the channelled stuff in general does seem legit and I'm hesitant to completely discard all of it.

Cow, sheep, pig, horse ah no bullshit...

 

[Crumbledank]

So I just finished reading this book (well I skipped the last half that deals with murder-suicide and terrorist cases):

Suicide

This provocative study explores what happens to those who commit suicide. Drawing on communications from the spirits of more than 100 'su...

www.goodreads.com

The book's idea is to summarize all the channelled communications with spirits 'on the other side' to try to get an idea of what happens to those who commit suicide.

I have to admit reading this has made me even more depressed. The messages are almost all negative, saying the people that commit suicide are tormented for ages on the other side. Regretful of their decision, bring all their psychological problems with them, etc. Some say they have to wander earth until the time their 'natural' life would have ended, whatever that means.

Even in the case of assisted suicide the messages were almost entirely negative, saying somehow it messes up your karma to 'escape' from the extreme suffering of terminal illness. A handful of messages do seem to say assisted suicide in this case is ok, but definitely a minority.

I'm definitely somewhat upset after reading this. I knew that pretty much all organized religions condemn suicide but I was hoping that more 'new agey' stuff like this book would be more positive. In my case I'm ill and feel like I'm pretty much at the limit of what I can take in this body, but I'm not terminally ill. The thought of having to live out the remainder of my natural life in this state is terrifying to me, but so is the idea of becoming some kind of tormented earth bound ghost.

I don't know how much stock to put in these channelled communications. In general channelled stuff is incredibly contradictory about the nature of the afterlife. Furthermore the attitudes seem to have shifted over time since the 1800s, indicating it reflects the cultural biases of the channeler's unconscious mind. Yet I do think some of the channelled stuff in general does seem legit and I'm hesitant to completely discard all of it.

Anyone telling you there is evidence of messages from dead people has a bridge to sell you. Bunch of nonsense.

We have exactly zero evidence to believe there is any kind of existence after we die.

 

[Mstrflshr]

Even if my man Jesus Christ himself wrote it, it would be bs.

 

[greyhound]

Anyone telling you there is evidence of messages from dead people has a bridge to sell you. Bunch of nonsense.

We have exactly zero evidence to believe there is any kind of existence after we die.

I mean it's fine if you want to believe that. But I've spent a good chunk of the past 8 years reading all sorts of stuff written about the survival of consciousness and I'm personally convinced there is some kind of an afterlife, probably 95% certain. Our bodies are basically meat robots for our consciousness that seems to be able to exist without them. The question now for me is not whether or not the afterlife exists but what is it like, and what impacts, if any, does suicide have on it for us.

 

[Cakes]

I assure you this is entirely bullshit. I have my reason to believe this 100%.

Can I ask what makes you say this? Just I'm anxious about all the afterlife stuff as well

 

[sufferingalways]

New age charlatans have to condemn suicide because they won't be able to sell you the secrets of a happy life if you're dead

I believe the secrets to a happy life probably are not secrets, they are unique to each individual. factor in interpretation and there's arguments there for and against.

But then contrary to that you could argue "what is a happy life and what would it look like for each person?"
A tangent I know but just my 2p worth.

 

[Meditation guide]

I really want to believe it is bullshit. However part of the motivation for me to commit suicide is due to the evidence of there being an afterlife, of which a decent chunk of evidence comes from channelled info from dead people that is verified to be accurate later. If I accept channeling as valid, I can't really turn around and ignore the stuff I don't want to hear.

Here is the one review I agree with:


Do not read this book if you are trying to find some peace for a loved one who has taken their own life. It is very negative and I wish that I had never read it.

 

[dropdeadfred]

Some say they have to wander earth until the time their 'natural' life would have ended, whatever that means.

I am guessing that this is in reference to the belief of an alternate destiny... the "destiny" one would have had as a "natural death" had they not chosen to end their life on their own terms.

 

[Meditation guide]

I mean it's fine if you want to believe that. But I've spent a good chunk of the past 8 years reading all sorts of stuff written about the survival of consciousness and I'm personally convinced there is some kind of an afterlife, probably 95% certain. Our bodies are basically meat robots for our consciousness that seems to be able to exist without them. The question now for me is not whether or not the afterlife exists but what is it like, and what impacts, if any, does suicide have on it for us

Yes we live on. No we do not get punished by karma in the ways commonly described. No one is delegating the deceased to punishments.

 

[rt1989526]

Do they say if you have to work some shitty ass job and pay bills in this afterlife?

 

[greyhound]

I am guessing that this is in reference to the belief of an alternate destiny... the "destiny" one would have had as a natural death had they not chosen to end their life on their own terms.

I think you're right.

The problem I have with that idea is that it sort of implies that all our suffering is part of God's plan. That he planned out everything in detail including our suffering which by suicide we're escaping from. But that makes God into a kind of of a demon who meticulously plans out a lifetime of torture for us.

Conversely, a lot of religions explain the suffering of the world as due to our (and other's) free will. So say God gives us free will, some husband uses that free will to physically abuse his wife, and it is arguable that this is not God's plan for the woman. So if she commits suicide with her own free will, how that is terribly wrong? She was just exercising her free will to escape the hell that his free will created.

 

[StringPuppet]

Do they say if you have to work some shitty ass job and pay bills in this afterlife?

This is what really bothers me about any sort of depiction of an afterlife. Even the best ones don't sound that different from real life. I'll be able to see all my dead loved ones and we can be together forever? Okay, cool, then what? We just drift around with our thumbs up our ass for eternity?

Non-existence is the only thing that makes sense imo

 

[dropdeadfred]

I think you're right.

The problem I have with that idea is that it sort of implies that all our suffering is part of God's plan. That he planned out everything in detail including our suffering which by suicide we're escaping from. But that makes God into a kind of of a demon who meticulously plans out a lifetime of torture for us.

Conversely, a lot of religions explain the suffering of the world as due to our (and other's) free will. So say God gives us free will, some husband uses that free will to physically abuse his wife, and it is arguable that this is not God's plan for the woman. So if she commits suicide with her own free will, how that is terribly wrong? She was just exercising her free will to escape the hell that his free will created.

Bingo. Everything you have stated is why I do not subscribe to any one religion & have trouble with the concept of "destiny" vs free will. It doesn't make sense to me that any one outcome could be right or wrong in this world. Everything just "is."

 

[Cakes]

Do they say if you have to work some shitty ass job and pay bills in this afterlife?

Here is the one review I agree with:


Do not read this book if you are trying to find some peace for a loved one who has taken their own life. It is very negative and I wish that I had never read it.

Thank you for this, definetly won't be reading it

 

[Ghost2211]

Nobody can know what happens once we die. Anyone that tells you otherwise is a bs artist.

 

[Sinkinshyp]

I mean it's fine if you want to believe that. But I've spent a good chunk of the past 8 years reading all sorts of stuff written about the survival of consciousness and I'm personally convinced there is some kind of an afterlife, probably 95% certain. Our bodies are basically meat robots for our consciousness that seems to be able to exist without them. The question now for me is not whether or not the afterlife exists but what is it like, and what impacts, if any, does suicide have on it for us.

My 25 yr old son died in a car accident on his way to work 3 years ago. Desperate for answers/communication I am in some mediumship groups in facebook. I was advised make my facebook private so no readers can peek and get information. I save the readings onto a document on my computer. Several have been so spot on I KNOW there is an afterlife. The things that were said there was no way they could have known unless my son was telling them. I post a picture of my son- they read off that picture one reader early on blew me away she knew things that sent chills up my spine. I could share her reading and tell you exactly what all she was saying related to myself, my son who died and my younger son and more... she is my FAVORITE reader she just knew and knows to much when she reads my son.

I didn't read the book linked so I have no idea what it says. I have seen readings for people who have lose loved ones to suicide. I have seen it mentioned no they are not in hell. Sometimes they need to learn more as spirit to... can't find the right words- move forward. Sort of like learning. One group I am in recently did a medium discussion on suicide but I didn't watch the zoom because well.. I didn't want to know in case I did it.

 

[Meditation guide]

If I accept channeling as valid, I can't really turn around and ignore the stuff I don't want to hear.

Who is doing this channeling? It sounds a lot like a pro life agenda to me.

I think you can become one with the "all there is" which is a nice state to be in, or you can wander around the earth as a spirit in some cases. Or you can be with some relatives and friends who have passed on, in a fairly nice comfortable place better than here.

It's probably best to not be attached to anyone or anything here at all before you go. It's your best chance for what you can call oblivion.

 

[Cakes]

Has anyone hear read Channeling Erik?

 

[Meditation guide]

If anyone can do some mild self hypnosis or get into a relaxed enough state such as deep meditation, you might be able to do your own channeling. It's not hard to do. Rather than ask to speak to a particular person just allow what comes through to happen. Ask if anyone you know wants to chat. Then you can ask questions but let them do most of the talking. Keep your eyes closed and see what visions you experience.

 

[Kat!]

If you've ever held a person or animal as it died, it can make sense why people made up, "the soul."
I've never held a person as they died but I have two animals, one of my personal pets and my friend's kitten who was killed by his dogs.

The way they go limp is just awful and it really hurts to watch it. I can see why someone would notice something left the body. But it's not the soul.

 

[greyhound]

My 25 yr old son died in a car accident on his way to work 3 years ago. Desperate for answers/communication I am in some mediumship groups in facebook. I was advised make my facebook private so no readers can peek and get information. I save the readings onto a document on my computer. Several have been so spot on I KNOW there is an afterlife. The things that were said there was no way they could have known unless my son was telling them. I post a picture of my son- they read off that picture one reader early on blew me away she knew things that sent chills up my spine. I could share her reading and tell you exactly what all she was saying related to myself, my son who died and my younger son and more... she is my FAVORITE reader she just knew and knows to much when she reads my son.

I didn't read the book linked so I have no idea what it says. I have seen readings for people who have lose loved ones to suicide. I have seen it mentioned no they are not in hell. Sometimes they need to learn more as spirit to... can't find the right words- move forward. Sort of like learning. One group I am in recently did a medium discussion on suicide but I didn't watch the zoom because well.. I didn't want to know in case I did it.

That's really cool, up until now I have only read about people like you who get super detailed info from people who pass away. It must be really reassuring to know he's on the other side and doing ok. On the other hand does this knowledge affect your desire to CTB?

I watched this movie on netflix recently called The Discovery and the plot is basically that they discover proof of the afterlife and millions of people start CTBing. The movie itself wasn't that great but I think it is right in that a lot of people are staying alive because of the fear of the unknown of death. If we had definitive proof of an afterlife I think a lot more people would join this site.

I am pretty convinced that there is an afterlife, and am also convinced that the traditional ideas of eternal heaven and hell are false. I think this has impacted my willingness to CTB. Maybe I would stick it out here longer (somehow) if I thought I was destined for oblivion. However I also don't want to F things up for my self karmically or otherwise by CTB. It's difficult for me to come to terms with the extreme negativity that traditional religion and now apparently even the new age people view it with.

I am somewhat rebellious by nature and it's hard for me accept this idea that my life is not my own to decide. Interestingly, I just learned yesterday that a Japanese word for suicide is 自決 (jiketsu) which literally means Self-Decision.

 

[Spitfire]

If anyone can do some mild self hypnosis or get into a relaxed enough state such as deep meditation, you might be able to do your own channeling. It's not hard to do. Rather than ask to speak to a particular person just allow what comes through to happen. Ask if anyone you know wants to chat. Then you can ask questions but let them do most of the talking. Keep your eyes closed and see what visions you experience.

I agree with this.

I have unintentionally been involved with dead people a few times a couple of years ago. Once, I spent the night interact with my two dead uncles and my great grandfather. It was unreal and beyond my understanding. It was strange because they were working on me like they were some sort if mechanic-doctors. They mostly talked amongst themselves

 

[Meditation guide]

they were working on me like they were some sort if mechanic-doctors. They mostly talked amongst themselves

Had you attempted to ctb? Or had a medical problem?