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Sunlight99

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In the US, we are seeing things that were once taboo beginning to be accepted, or already largely accepted by a large amount of people. I am not saying the people who fall into the categories are fully accepted, but there is a dramatic difference in their acceptance and presence in media and education compared to 10 years ago. I think over the next 10 years we will continue seeing taboos become accepted, including assisted suicide for people for any reason (depression or feeling life is too difficult). What are your thoughts on this?

The purpose of this thread is not to debate whether or not these taboos/former taboos are right or wrong

Homosexuality
Gay Marriage
Transgenderism
Drag Queens (Drag Queen Story Hour in public libraries, child drag queen on Good Morning America)
Gender neutral bathrooms
Pornography
Late-term abortion
 
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throwaway123

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hmmm maybe you're right
 
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meaningisgone

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I agree that taboos are diminishing over time. I would personally guess that the stigma of suicide will be a tough nut to crack though, especially in the US, and ESPECIALLY "suicide for any reason." I can definitely foresee many states making euthanasia legal for people who are in a state of perpetual and untreatable physical agony. But when it comes to mental illness, I can't really see the same rules applying any time soon. It seems like there would be a very, very strict criteria. Maybe I am wrong though.

Another taboo that is slowly dissipating is the therapeutic use of forbidden substances like psychedelics and dissociatives. MDMA is probably just a few years away from being legally prescribed to treat depression and PTSD. There are ketamine treatment centers popping up in the US with high success rates for treatment-resistant people with depression, but there hasn't been enough documentation and institutional confirmation yet for that to be covered by insurance and it's very expensive (at least from my perspective). Psilocybin mushrooms and LSD are being seriously looked at for their therapeutic potential as well. As someone that has experimented and self-medicated with these substances over the years, I feel positive that there is potential here for a total breakthrough and MUCH-NEEDED revolution in mental healthcare. With a much more effective mental healthcare system and more reasonable societal perception about some mind-altering substances used for self-betterment, I'd probably be halfway to not feeling so destined for suicide.

Sorry about the semi-unrelated tangent. In my mind I had a way to tie it in when I started typing, but my brain de-railed. I should probably sleep at some point.
 
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DrownedOctopus

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Would certainly be another method of population control. I don't see it becoming legal in 10 years, though. I think before that ever happens there will be a long time of elected officials being elected because they promise to keep it from being legalized, and you know the pro-lifers will do everything they can to keep it from being a possibility.
I think this is one that will take so much longer than 10 years to become legal because I really don't see the majority of America wanting it to be legalized.
Not for an "any reason whatsoever" legalization anyways.
 
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Sunlight99

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I agree that taboos are diminishing over time. I would personally guess that the stigma of suicide will be a tough nut to crack though, especially in the US, and ESPECIALLY "suicide for any reason." I can definitely foresee many states making euthanasia legal for people who are in a state of perpetual and untreatable physical agony. But when it comes to mental illness, I can't really see the same rules applying any time soon. It seems like there would be a very, very strict criteria. Maybe I am wrong though.

Another taboo that is slowly dissipating is the therapeutic use of forbidden substances like psychedelics and dissociatives. MDMA is probably just a few years away from being legally prescribed to treat depression and PTSD. There are ketamine treatment centers popping up in the US with high success rates for treatment-resistant people with depression, but there hasn't been enough documentation and institutional confirmation yet for that to be covered by insurance and it's very expensive (at least from my perspective). Psilocybin mushrooms and LSD are being seriously looked at for their therapeutic potential as well. As someone that has experimented and self-medicated with these substances over the years, I feel positive that there is potential here for a total breakthrough and MUCH-NEEDED revolution in mental healthcare. With a much more effective mental healthcare system and more reasonable societal perception about some mind-altering substances used for self-betterment, I'd probably be halfway to not feeling so destined for suicide.

Sorry about the semi-unrelated tangent. In my mind I had a way to tie it in when I started typing, but my brain de-railed. I should probably sleep at some point.

I think dramatic improvements in mental health care could as you say make the legalization of assisted suicide for any reason not happen. The brain is mysterious. It's possible society would reach a point where we can alter the brain significantly through technology, and even create people who behave so differently from any human who has ever lived that we might as well think of them as human 2.0. Maybe this is transhumanism. I haven't researched that term so I don't know if it's right.
 
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John434

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Assisted suicide is already legal in the state of Oregon
If you have a life ending health issue like Aids or Terminal cancer
 
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I don't see it happening... Maybe with terminal illness ... Maybe 20 years? People still think depression is just being sad. Also this year we discussed it in my philosophy class and everyone in the class including myself disagreed with euthanasia for mental health bc you could get treatment for it. We saw treatment as a cure. That
was before I went through my worst depression this winter and realized how depression/bpd has been fucking me my whole life. That'ss what a subsection of your next generation of doctors, lawyers and law makers think about euthanasia...
 
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meaningisgone

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Yeah. It's tricky. I've struggled with depression for most of my adult life and there were a lot of times I was close to ending it. Usually I'd feel better if I just hung in there for a little while, and I've had some of the best experiences of my life after surviving some of those dark periods. Times when I was glad I hung in there. This current depression is the longest and most debilitating I've ever experienced. Years on top of years, and it's only getting worse. And if euthanasia were an option I'd more than likely go for it. If I survive this and look back, maybe one day I'll be glad I'm still alive again. But there's so little of my heart and soul left to go around at this point. It's a complex issue all in all, and I think it'll take society a long time to work it out.
 
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jules18

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There is a new bill in New Mexico that seems to stipulate making assisted suicide easier for folks to access:


"Proposed legislation in New Mexico could legalize assisted suicide in the state and may even allow for the prescription of deadly drugs outside the state via telemedicine and by health care professionals other than physicians.

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In addition, the bill does not clearly define whether residents of states other than New Mexico might be allowed to avail themselves of assisted suicide. It was reported in some publications that the bill lacks a residency requirement completely, meaning patients coming from other states to seek the procedure, so-called "suicide tourism," could become a reality."

Not sure if this bill still requires a terminal physical illness like cancer, of if they accept mental illness.
 
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If assisted suicide ever becomes available for ANY reason, then it would be a massive indication that we need help as a civilization. I pray that we will never come to that.

We need to inculcate a sense of reverence and value for human life, not encourage its eradication, or to spread the idea that life is not valuable enough to live for, that we are not worthy enough of living, or that we cannot overcome the circumstances we have found ourselves in. Assisted suicide for any reason means that we--as a mass population--will have lost sight of our own inherent worth, our capacity to transcend and overcome difficulties and hardships, and our incredible capacity for resiliency. I pray that we will never have to face that on a group level so deep that human life and value depreciates so much that we will help people kill themselves for any reason at all.
 
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Nitromask

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This would never happen
 
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dmoroden

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i wish that was real right now... life is so overvalued... everyone makes such drama if you tell you dont want to live... why is that so wrong? why should anyone play soccer if they dont like the game? they dont have to! and if you dont like dancing, why should you be enforced to do it? you dont! so why the fuck should i keep on living if i dont like life? humans are so blind... like, concern on your fucking experience en let others go away in peace... i didnt ask to come to this nonsense world, so if i was brought here and i dont like it and i dont want to stay, i should be on my fully right to decide to go, and to have the option to do it on an easy way, instead on being struggling on how the fuck to suicídate...

sorry for the tone... im a lil bit upset.
 
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In the US, we are seeing things that were once taboo beginning to be accepted, or already largely accepted by a large amount of people. I am not saying the people who fall into the categories are fully accepted, but there is a dramatic difference in their acceptance and presence in media and education compared to 10 years ago. I think over the next 10 years we will continue seeing taboos become accepted, including assisted suicide for people for any reason (depression or feeling life is too difficult). What are your thoughts on this?

The purpose of this thread is not to debate whether or not these taboos/former taboos are right or wrong

Homosexuality
Gay Marriage
Transgenderism
Drag Queens (Drag Queen Story Hour in public libraries, child drag queen on Good Morning America)
Gender neutral bathrooms
Pornography
Late-term abortion
IDK where your talking about but here in the USA only a small hand full of states have doctor assisted suicide for terminally ill. Meaning doctor assisted suicide is only given to people that have 6 months or less to live and they have to repeatedly request a cocktail to end their life. We are a long way away from giving people suicide based on any reason. That probably won't happen for another 50 years not 10.

Doctor assisted suicide in the USA.
 
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It will happen in Canada before the USA. I'm guessing 20 years for assisted dying without an illness in Canada. 37 years in land of the deluded.
 
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Suicideisnirvana

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If assisted suicide ever becomes available for ANY reason, then it would be a massive indication that we need help as a civilization. I pray that we will never come to that.

We need to inculcate a sense of reverence and value for human life, not encourage its eradication, or to spread the idea that life is not valuable enough to live for, that we are not worthy enough of living, or that we cannot overcome the circumstances we have found ourselves in. Assisted suicide for any reason means that we--as a mass population--will have lost sight of our own inherent worth, our capacity to transcend and overcome difficulties and hardships, and our incredible capacity for resiliency. I pray that we will never have to face that on a group level so deep that human life and value depreciates so much that we will help people kill themselves for any reason at all.

Your post summarizes everything that's wrong about humanity, and illustrates the totalitarian dogmatism that harms me greatly and all the suicidal people who want to die, the kind of thinking that lead us to the conudrum - or shall i say prison - we find ourselves in now.

Trying to sweep real, actual suffering under the carpet, and sacrificing the freedom of people to decide for themselves wehther they want to get out of their hellish life or not in the altar of dubious concepts and language games. We didn't chose to be born, me and people like me (who are resolved on dying) WANT TO LEAVE THIS SHITHOLE, our suffering is a real suffering. On the other hands "humanity" "value of human life" "reverence", "sacred bullshit" are just concepts influenced by anthrophomorphism, mythology and other christian doctrines and means of death denial that humans invented to reassure themselves. There is no such thing as "we as a population", if i hit you with a sword and torture you, you will suffer, even if i insult you you may suffer from it. "Humanity" on the other hand can't be harmed by my insults, i can't put my hand on it, i can't hurt it, it's a mere concept. There is no "humanity", there are human individuals. Some of them are attractive, some of them not, some of them are rich, other are not, their qualities of life is so divergent, often to such extreme lenghts that it's safe to say they habit different existential realms, in a phenomenological level. some of them think life is sacred and good, some of them think life is hellish and worthless, none of them chose to be born. Those humans don't have the same interests, mood, inclinations, life quality, values, looks etc. That's why we should always be wary of people who want to speak in the name of "humanity",. Who are you to legislate under the name of everybody ? Even if the majority is with you, imposing your will on the others isn't ethical. If the majority decides that women should wear the veil, it doesn't make it right. You have no idea of how people's lifes are, you have no idea of how hellish certain existences are, how some people can't even endure the passage of time while they are planing a suicide. And even if you did, it gives you no right to impose your dogma on others. You are asking for us to be sacrificied so that your deluded concepts and insidious religion of the "sacrality of life" can thrive ?

If you have to make it hard for people to leave a theater to boost the numbers of the audience, it's because your film is shitty and worthless. If the film is good or have any worth, people would stay by themselves. If you have to make it hard for people to chose to CTB (by being against legalized euthanasia for everybody), it's just proves that life is so awful and worthless, you have to almost force people to stay. If you can't enjoy life without forcing people to stay because them living threatens your dubious defense mechanism of the "sacrality of life" , that's for me no different that someone who can't enjoy his life if slavery is abolished, because he only enjoy life by being the "superior race".

We don't give a crap about how you think life is sacred and worthy. You can consider your life sacred and worthy, that's fine with us, that's your most legitimate right and i respect your freedom of thought and action. What you don't have the right to do is to deprive me of my liberty to decide. And that's exactly what society is doing by making all effective means to suicide illegal, and the kind of despicable, dogmatic, totalitarian logic that you've shown in your post contributes to it.
 
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