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TAW122

TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
6,966
We live in paternalistic and punitive society when it comes to the choice of RTD and even just in general. It is not a mystery or anything new, but this article explains and elaborates on why this is the case. Over the years of observation and experience of sentience in general, it has led me to the conclusion that while there are many things that one does, if it is NOT socially approved, socially acceptable, there are consequences. This does not mean that the consequences are necessarily "legal consequences" but social consequences.

One of the errant and egregious examples of such is the paternalistic hand of the psychiatric system, which may as well just be it's own legal system because it falls outside of the legal system (in many cases). By this, I am referring to how it's actions and consequences exist outside of the legal system, which makes it extra-judicial (one classical example is how the act of CTB or CTB ideation is NOT illegal, but it may (de facto) as well be illegal since one can be forcible detained and held against their will for a short time without due process if suspected to be planning or even attempting as such.). As a result, there are almost no legal remedies for such situations and one is just left to suffer the injustice and abusive. This is also why I had a megathread critiquing and talking about the harms of psychiatry in general, but I digress.

An example of this is in general, on various videos of police bodycam videos (on YouTube), there are some of them that start out benign, but ultimately leads to other troubles and complications (Note: I am not defending the actions of any of the parties involved and that is beside the point!), such as arrests and other legal issues. The point I'm driving home here is how even with various things such as these, it points towards a paternalistic society and the "wellness check and/or other benign act (which is often not the case – but just another way to skirt civil rights to effect enforcement)" is just another angle of attack that authorities and other figures use to circumvent an individuals' rights to punish them for transgressions. If the 'benevolent paternalism' doesn't have legal weight or that civil liberties supersede exigent circumstances (though yes, there are some other caveats with that but I won't go off on that tangent), then the extra-judicial punitive consequences would not be a thing. Law enforcement would only ever respond to things that are a criminal matter, not a civil matter and would not have the power to detain (unless it's criminal or skirts legality), which is what it should have been (prior to the expansion of psychiatry and benevolent paternalism).

Now, in general, when referring to the paternalistic and punitive society, I am referring to just about anything and everything, ranging from authorities, institutions, social life, people relations, politics, and more. Again, this is not limited to the legal system or the legality in general, but other areas too. Even certain regulations on media and day to day life, they are just infringements upon civil and individual liberties while being packaged and sold as 'benevolence' and protecting the vulnerable. It is far from doing such as they are focused on regulating and controlling what they deem acceptable and whatever is not. It even happens in democracies, and this is true especially for things such as death, CTB, or anything related to such topics. They are heavily stigmatized and punished (even if not locked up, they are at least threatened with it or have other consequences – social, professional, and/or other).

Think not of just high profile figures, but even an average everyday person, if they skirt the boundaries of what is socially acceptable, society and it's peers will not hesitate to penalize said individual or person through ostracization, outcast, blacklisting said person from future opportunities (making it harder for the person to thrive) or even make just day to day life more challenging and difficult for said person. In today's age of the Internet and information being readily available, one cannot simply just vanish and start over as easily as previous generations once did.

In conclusion, no matter what kind of thing one does, if it is not approved by society or the people around them, they are punished in one way or another, and more often than not, even if it isn't tied to legality, there are far more sinister consequences that one is subjected to for merely violating what society deems to be important morals. This is also why modern day psychiatry (and in the old days where religion was much more paternalistic and oppressive rife with abuse) is really tyrannical and punitive especially with it's benevolent paternalism and draconian consequences for those who deviate too far (while packaged as some act of benevolence) from social norms; while it may not necessarily be a jail cell in the legal system, it may as well be it's own prison. Even outside of psychiatry, there are other punitive consequences such as blacklists, social ostracization (making it harder for those who wish to just get by), and other ills. In the end, it's all about control and maintaining the status quo, and if that is threatened or challenged in a way, their dissidents are punished for it.
 
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thetruetato

thetruetato

Suicidal Femboy :3
Jan 1, 2024
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We live in paternalistic and punitive society when it comes to the choice of RTD and even just in general. It is not a mystery or anything new, but this article explains and elaborates on why this is the case. Over the years of observation and experience of sentience in general, it has led me to the conclusion that while there are many things that one does, if it is NOT socially approved, socially acceptable, there are consequences. This does not mean that the consequences are necessarily "legal consequences" but social consequences.

One of the errant and egregious examples of such is the paternalistic hand of the psychiatric system, which may as well just be it's own legal system because it falls outside of the legal system (in many cases). By this, I am referring to how it's actions and consequences exist outside of the legal system, which makes it extra-judicial (one classical example is how the act of CTB or CTB ideation is NOT illegal, but it may (de facto) as well be illegal since one can be forcible detained and held against their will for a short time without due process if suspected to be planning or even attempting as such.). As a result, there are almost no legal remedies for such situations and one is just left to suffer the injustice and abusive. This is also why I had a megathread critiquing and talking about the harms of psychiatry in general, but I digress.

An example of this is in general, on various videos of police bodycam videos (on YouTube), there are some of them that start out benign, but ultimately leads to other troubles and complications (Note: I am not defending the actions of any of the parties involved and that is beside the point!), such as arrests and other legal issues. The point I'm driving home here is how even with various things such as these, it points towards a paternalistic society and the "wellness check and/or other benign act (which is often not the case – but just another way to skirt civil rights to effect enforcement)" is just another angle of attack that authorities and other figures use to circumvent an individuals' rights to punish them for transgressions. If the 'benevolent paternalism' doesn't have legal weight or that civil liberties supersede exigent circumstances (though yes, there are some other caveats with that but I won't go off on that tangent), then the extra-judicial punitive consequences would not be a thing. Law enforcement would only ever respond to things that are a criminal matter, not a civil matter and would not have the power to detain (unless it's criminal or skirts legality), which is what it should have been (prior to the expansion of psychiatry and benevolent paternalism).

Now, in general, when referring to the paternalistic and punitive society, I am referring to just about anything and everything, ranging from authorities, institutions, social life, people relations, politics, and more. Again, this is not limited to the legal system or the legality in general, but other areas too. Even certain regulations on media and day to day life, they are just infringements upon civil and individual liberties while being packaged and sold as 'benevolence' and protecting the vulnerable. It is far from doing such as they are focused on regulating and controlling what they deem acceptable and whatever is not. It even happens in democracies, and this is true especially for things such as death, CTB, or anything related to such topics. They are heavily stigmatized and punished (even if not locked up, they are at least threatened with it or have other consequences – social, professional, and/or other).

Think not of just high profile figures, but even an average everyday person, if they skirt the boundaries of what is socially acceptable, society and it's peers will not hesitate to penalize said individual or person through ostracization, outcast, blacklisting said person from future opportunities (making it harder for the person to thrive) or even make just day to day life more challenging and difficult for said person. In today's age of the Internet and information being readily available, one cannot simply just vanish and start over as easily as previous generations once did.

In conclusion, no matter what kind of thing one does, if it is not approved by society or the people around them, they are punished in one way or another, and more often than not, even if it isn't tied to legality, there are far more sinister consequences that one is subjected to for merely violating what society deems to be important morals. This is also why modern day psychiatry (and in the old days where religion was much more paternalistic and oppressive rife with abuse) is really tyrannical and punitive especially with it's benevolent paternalism and draconian consequences for those who deviate too far (while packaged as some act of benevolence) from social norms; while it may not necessarily be a jail cell in the legal system, it may as well be it's own prison. Even outside of psychiatry, there are other punitive consequences such as blacklists, social ostracization (making it harder for those who wish to just get by), and other ills. In the end, it's all about control and maintaining the status quo, and if that is threatened or challenged in a way, their dissidents are punished for it.
One of the big misconceptions surrounding suicide is that anyone who wants to die is automatically assumed to be mentally ill to the point that they can't make decisions for themselves. (which is why in the US failed suicide attempts usually result in involuntary placement in a mental institution) Even though the choice of suicide can absolutely be made rationally, most of society doesn't believe in this.
 

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