TAW122

TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
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Note/Disclaimer: I do not condone, endorse, nor encourage acts of violence against society, nor do I glorify those who are involved in these acts of violence. This is simply an academic/intellectual discussion.

With that said, sometimes I think that mass shootings are a result of what society has become, pushing certain individuals to the breaking point and when said person did not have any other outlet and with nothing to lose, they lash out and commit these horrendous acts of violence. Again, not condoning what they did at all, but does anyone think that in the grand scheme of things, it sort of acts like a "check" against a twisted society? Like in other words, society is screwed up and marginalizes certain groups of people, then in those groups of people, there are the few extremes, who with nothing to lose decides to lash out, thus checking against society's ills. I don't really hope for such tragedies to occur, but it seems to me like it's the universe's way of keeping society in check (or rather a certain group within society).

Also, on a slightly different topic, I do think that if voluntarily euthanasia was made available to the people who are hopeless (after going through a lengthy, thorough screening process in order to prevent abuse/misuse, along with other checks in place), perhaps, it might reduce the amount of violence by suicidal people. What are your thoughts on this? I mean, of course, violent and crazy people still exist and they may still do harm, regardless/independent of whether voluntary euthanasia, freedom to die laws exist (religious extremists, fanatics, psychopaths, etc.). One thing I know would change would be that people who wanted to die would be less inclined to go out in messy, inconvenient ways, or ways that would cause collateral damage to society.

So yeah, here are the questions below:

1a. Do you think that it's because of society's way of pushing people to the edge along with marginalizing suicidal people (to the point they can't really get help for fear of forced hospitalization/treatment against their will) that causes them to lash out?
1b. Similarly, would you consider these tragedies as checks against a society that has repressed, persecuted, mistreated, oppressed suicidal people?

2. If voluntary euthanasia was widely available and people who wanted to die were able to go through a process and granted the right to do so, would that reduce the amount of violence overall in society?

Let me know your thoughts on this.
 
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bea1974

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Aug 7, 2019
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I think those killed in these circumstances are very rarely those who are responsible for the mess we call society.

Also, I think most suicidal people are not violent at all and have no wish to hurt or cause harm to others.
 
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TAW122

TAW122

Emissary of the right to die.
Aug 30, 2018
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@bea1974 Yeah that is true too.

To clarify what I mean by "keeping society in check" and "the result of a screwed up society", by that the people who do these acts, it sorta acts like a response to all the wrongs society has committed, as well as putting society in it's place. Perhaps it makes society not want to keep marginalizing said group(s) or individual(s) and over time, change occurs? Again, I'm not condoning or excusing their actions at all, just looking at it from a different perspective.
 
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RealLostSoul

RealLostSoul

once rock bottom, always rock bottom
Oct 11, 2019
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1a & b) definitely

2) I don't think so. Imagine telling your parents that you want to do that. Most mass murderers want to harm innocent people because they see it as their payback or whatever. (And a lot want that attention/fame) .. I think that would only help suicidal people with no violent tendencies.

Good thread though. I personally can understand why society sees them as "monsters" but I find it more interestingly at what THEY have to say.
 
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