Avicii

Avicii

Looking
Sep 4, 2018
424
I only ask cos well I'm not but I vividly remember Xanex on her final post saying she wasn't religious but said a final prayer ?? It hasn't been proven that there isn't a God and this percentage is what scares me into maybe going a confession before I ctb anyone else
 
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Xerxes

Xerxes

Invisible
Nov 8, 2018
936
If there is a God, he's going to wish he never met me.
 
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JustAboutDone

Illuminated
Jan 1, 2019
3,532
I'm open minded about religion - sorry, I don't think that really helps answer your question. I was raised to believe in God, heaven, hell and all that but along the way I've found so many contradictions that I'm left with a sort of mix :-/

I'll pray to a God of sorts for peace and love for others and I believe in some sort of eternal life after this grim existence!

But maybe people can be re-incarnated? Anyone who's looked knowingly into their cat or dogs eyes will sometimes swear they've been here before and we've met them in another life. Or am I clutching at straws?!
 
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Redt2go

Redt2go

flower child
Jan 5, 2019
1,643
I am. But o wasn't for a while. Evsn when I didn't believe I always thought of two scenarios 1) there's no God, I pray and then nothing happens after death or 2) there is a God I pray and then I may get some peace after death. I don't see any true downside to belief especially in death or dying
 
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Redt2go

Redt2go

flower child
Jan 5, 2019
1,643
I don't go to church anymore though and I only really pray for death
 
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Dor

Dor

SS village idiot
Nov 22, 2018
309
One my less serious theories of existence is that something just came to exist, "god", it became self conscious at some point. Eventually it most likely either became lonely or bored, bored most likely. Decided to create a simulation, universe, threw itself into it experiencing all, everyone and every thing simultaneously, meaning time as a separating barrier is just our illusion, really another way of thinking of time is as slices of a 3 dimensional space with different particle positions.

Then you may ask why would someone throw themselves into the horrors that this simulation offers? I dunno, I guess without suffering you can't define the opposite, happiness? Sounds cheesy and stupid.
 
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GlowingCactus

Student
Oct 19, 2018
124
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iHeartRockArt

iHeartRockArt

Wizard
Sep 21, 2018
608
Posts like this one can derail FAST. Please everyone try to keep the discussion civil. You're free to express your own beliefs and opinions, but remain respectful when doing so or the thread will have to be closed.
 
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Hopeless_soul

Hopeless_soul

Soon
Jan 3, 2019
502
I think the idea of God was phrased to organise society, to give it a purpose, to insufflate life with meaning. In the process, as with all ideas, the whole thing deviated towards corruption, abuse, and so on. It's not a bad idea, the contrary: it's beautiful. Some things we value like forgiveness originated in religion (don't want to talk about a specific one, but you get the clue). In the worst scenario, believing and praying is a cathartic experience. Nowadays I don't believe there is a God, although I know it would be beautiful if it were. Just remember that during a panic attack recently I ended up praying and asking God to kill me: unconsciously I was talking to myself and looking for an answer, and the question was whether to ctb or give life another chance: I chose the former.
 
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Redt2go

flower child
Jan 5, 2019
1,643
I think the idea of God was phrased to organise society, to give it a purpose, to insufflate life with meaning. In the process, as with all ideas, the whole thing deviated to corruption, abuse, and so on. It's not a bad idea, the contrary: it's beautiful. Some things we value like forgiveness originated in religion (don't want to talk about a specific one, but you get the clue). In the worst scenario, believing and praying is a cathartic experience. Nowadays I don't believe there is a God, although I know it would be beautiful if it were. Just remember that during a panic attack recently I ended up praying and asking God to kill me: unconsciously I was talking to myself and looking for an answer, and the question was whether to ctb or give life another chance: I chose the former.
I definitely felt this way last year. God as an effective mechanism for control. I feel like humans definitely use god and heaven as a way of controlling others but I still feel like God exists. I think godsG will has been exploited and misconstrued for sure. I think one of the biggest lies people believe is that if God does have a plan that God's plan includes them being happy at some point in their life. I've come to realize that if there is a plan I'm not one of the people that has been selected for the true happiness life has to offer which is why I don't feel so bad about ctb. It also allows me to not resent others who are happy. I can be a lesson for them about what not to do in life
 
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Hopeless_soul

Hopeless_soul

Soon
Jan 3, 2019
502
It also allows me to not resent others who are happy

Yup. I don't resent them either. However, there's a type of happy people that I find really annoying :D I don't know what's worse: ignorance bliss or rationalised bitterness. I'd still choose the latter I think.
 
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Redt2go

Redt2go

flower child
Jan 5, 2019
1,643
I'd love to be ignorant and happy again lol without being damaging
 
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Hopeless_soul

Hopeless_soul

Soon
Jan 3, 2019
502
I'd love that naivety that makes you curious and expectant about the future to come back.
 
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Volomori83

Haunted by the ghosts of the past
Jul 9, 2018
126
I don't know if I necessarily believe in God. Years of regular sunday school attendance formed too many contrivances and contradictions in relation to the idea of God for me. However, I am prone to believe that there is more than this life, that we are totally unable to fully comprehend at this stage of our evolution.

One thing I do know is that we are all energy and energy never dies. I've no idea what form that energy takes when the body dies, and I've no idea whether our consciousness (although I'd have to believe that to exist in the first place, consciousness must also be energy and therefore) persists beyond death in some form.

I don't need to believe in God but at the same time I can't rule out a higher intelligence being involved in this whole existence thing somehow. Look at what we can now do in relation to building (video game) worlds and characters. Imagine what that kind of thing would like from beings millions -- maybe billions -- of years more evolved than us. Could it be so hard to believe that this isn't some kind of simulation? I don't have the answers, I don't need the answers.

People do, and should, believe exactly what they feel is true for them. If that truth is God then great, if not then great. Have at it.
 
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Ch92921

Ch92921

The call of the void
Dec 29, 2018
909
Please don't do what I think you are doing. If it brings someone some comfort to believe or even hedge their bets with a prayer then let them. This is not the place to argue people down about god/atheism. Nobody is going to solve the argument or prove anything in a forum...and it just spreads anger and crap. If you need to prove yourself intellectually or something try Reddit...people love to argue there. This place should be more about supporting each other regardless...not validating your own feelings and beliefs at the expense of others.
Sorry
 
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SLN1096

SLN1096

I think heaven has a plot to take my life
Jan 5, 2019
17
I'm a Catholic due to my Irish roots but I too am a bit mixed on the whole thing. I'd like to think there is a god but then I look at all the evil in the world.
Have you ever read up on Eckhart Tolle? He writes about being in the present moment and giving everything to a higher power. He said all religions were built on these principles but over the years things just got in the way.
 
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21Neberg

21Neberg

Enlightened
Dec 17, 2018
1,624
Currently, I'm unsure. I'm going to try to find out soon though!!!
 
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511115

511115

_.__-_.__
Jan 4, 2019
45
I was raised Catholic so suicide is practically the most sinful of sins.

But we're taught that God is understanding and merciful.

So I simply hope and trust everything will be okay.

The world is not black and white, and I don't see how people can boil a being as complex as a God into something that is black and white.

I feel most bad for my Catholic family who will probably believe I will be damned to hell for all eternity.

I have more trust in my God than that.
 
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Redt2go

Redt2go

flower child
Jan 5, 2019
1,643
I was raised Catholic so suicide is practically the most sinful of sins.

But we're taught that God is understanding and merciful.

So I simply hope and trust everything will be okay.

The world is not black and white, and I don't see how people can boil a being as complex as a God into something that is black and white.

I feel most bad for my Catholic family who will probably believe I will be damned to hell for all eternity.

I have more trust in my God than that.
This is lovely
 
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SiArc

SiArc

sassy and sarcastic-y
Dec 10, 2018
230
I am religious. Spiritual. I am a Heathen. I follow the traditions of my ancestors both Celtic and Northern European/Norse. I have even tossed in a bit of Wiccan in there.

I do not think there is just one pantheon, spirit, power, whatever. I have read on many different paths to understand them. Believe as you may as long as it harms none. You want respect for what you do or do not believe then show it for others. If it brings you peace and joy and strength go for it. I will cheer you on.
 
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Taylor

Taylor

Thankful
Dec 23, 2018
476
I was raised Catholic so suicide is practically the most sinful of sins.

But we're taught that God is understanding and merciful.

So I simply hope and trust everything will be okay.

The world is not black and white, and I don't see how people can boil a being as complex as a God into something that is black and white.

I feel most bad for my Catholic family who will probably believe I will be damned to hell for all eternity.

I have more trust in my God than that.
My thoughts on this exactly. I was raised a Christian my whole life, and was basically just sort of passive about the whole thing growing up, and didn't really understand it, but appreciated that Jesus came into the world and died for my sins, so I could be "saved". However, now that I'm older, and experienced firsthand the awful suffering that is inevitable in this world, I totally get it now. We were doomed from the start, because of the corruption of sin, which made us susceptible to pain, suffering, and death, and that is exactly the opposite of what God intended. We were supposed to be perfect and immortal, until Satan brought sin into the world and corrupted everything, and the penalty of that is death and suffering. That is why God sent His only son Jesus into the world to pay for all of our sins by dying on the cross and redeeming all of us, giving us a chance to live again on the new Earth God has in store for us, in total bliss and harmony for eternity as immortals, where there is no pain, suffering, disease (either mental or physical) or death, the way He originally intended.

If you take the time and research the repercussions of the sin of suicide, 95% of it will tell you that even the sin of suicide is covered by having faith in Jesus. Humans aren't perfect and God knows this. The only unpardonable sin is rejecting Christ and His grace entirely.

Anyway that's where I'm at, I can't take living in this fallen world any longer, and I trust in the Lord that He'll reserve a place for me in Heaven, until the second coming of Jesus and the new "perfect" Earth is created.
 
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lifeisbutadream

Warlock
Oct 4, 2018
722
I am religious. Spiritual. I am a Heathen. I follow the traditions of my ancestors both Celtic and Northern European/Norse. I have even tossed in a bit of Wiccan in there.

I do not think there is just one pantheon, spirit, power, whatever. I have read on many different paths to understand them. Believe as you may as long as it harms none. You want respect for what you do or do not believe then show it for others. If it brings you peace and joy and strength go for it. I will cheer you on.


I could have written that myself!



Bhagavad Ghita -

Never the spirit was born;
the spirit shall cease to be never;
Never was time it was not;
End and Beginning are dreams!
Birthless and deathless and changeless remaineth the spirit for ever;
Death hath not touched it at all, dead though the house of it seems!




All roads lead home.
 
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lifeisbutadream

Warlock
Oct 4, 2018
722
My thoughts on this exactly. I was raised a Christian my whole life, and was basically just sort of passive about the whole thing growing up, and didn't really understand it, but appreciated that Jesus came into the world and died for my sins, so I could be "saved". However, now that I'm older, and experienced firsthand the awful suffering that is inevitable in this world, I totally get it now. We were doomed from the start, because of the corruption of sin, which made us susceptible to pain, suffering, and death, and that is exactly the opposite of what God intended. We were supposed to be perfect and immortal, until Satan brought sin into the world and corrupted everything, and the penalty of that is death and suffering. That is why God sent His only son Jesus into the world to pay for all of our sins by dying on the cross and redeeming all of us, giving us a chance to live again on the new Earth God has in store for us, in total bliss and harmony for eternity as immortals, where this is no pain, suffering, disease (either mental or physical) or death, the way He originally intended.

If you take the time and research the repercussions of the sin of suicide, 95% of it will tell you that even the sin of suicide is covered by having faith in Jesus. Humans aren't perfect and God knows this. The only unpardonable sin is rejecting Christ and His grace entirely.

Anyway that's where I'm at, I can't take living in this fallen world any longer, and I trust in the Lord that He'll reserve a place for me in Heaven, until the second coming of Jesus and the new "perfect" Earth is created.



Beautifully written.
 
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lost_soul83

Wizard
Jan 7, 2019
638
I only ask cos well I'm not but I vividly remember Xanex on her final post saying she wasn't religious but said a final prayer ?? It hasn't been proven that there isn't a God and this percentage is what scares me into maybe going a confession before I ctb anyone else
The only thing that has scared me about ctb is going to hell. I'm a Christian, so I asked pastors, other Christians I know, and they all said that if you're truly a Christian and have accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, then you'll go to Heaven. It's comforting, but there's no way to know for sure.
 
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SelfishMom

SelfishMom

Born To Die
Jan 13, 2019
50
I am somewhat. I believe, it's just I've drifted so far into depression it brings me little comfort. I DON'T believe God would punish suffering people for ending their lives though.
 
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JustAboutDone

Illuminated
Jan 1, 2019
3,532
I DON'T believe God would punish suffering people for ending their lives though.
I don't believe he would. If there is a God then he is merciful and kind to those who have suffered at the hands of humans in this life x
 
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Crazy I

Crazy I

Madman
Nov 28, 2018
61
I'm a moslem and i think most of the member of my community views suicide as something that is taboo but its not because of the religion itself but the culture. In my culture every people that died unnatrally e.g suicide, accident, murdered, etc. Their spirit will be trapped in this world and will never ascend to the other world until the end of times or until they are excorcised somehow.
This kind of believe is deeply rooted in my culture regardless of religion and that is my biggest fear. Bcs i want to ctb with partial and most people will stop my attemp if they know it. I dont want to become a vegetable just because some nosy people see me attempting ctb.
 
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NotWorthLiving

Enlightened
Dec 8, 2018
1,264
I am/was Christian but losing faith
 
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