Volatile

Volatile

God
Jun 18, 2018
1,286
I, a Millennial, have been exposed to information that would've taken a lifetime before the internet to accumulate. It's like aging mentally at an accelerated rate. Mentally, it's like I'm an old man who's been exposed to everything and is just waiting to die.
 
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WayOut

WayOut

Experienced
Oct 26, 2018
281
Is suicide skyrocketing? Or is it just more in the public awareness, less hidden?
 
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Johnnythefox

Johnnythefox

Que sera sera
Nov 11, 2018
3,129
I wouldn't deny that the internet plays a big part in suicide, cyber bullying, social media and other aspects certainly have a lot of blood on their hands.
 
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wxtyubidi7y

Student
Jun 30, 2018
176
I think a big part of the reason is that people have access to information about reliable methods online, so yeah, because of the internet. It would have been awful wanting to ctb before that but having no idea what drugs would do the trick, how partial works, where to aim with a gun, how high to jump and all that.

I also think people might be becoming more self-determining in general, and so more empowered to act against traditional social conventions like being pro life.
 
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Volatile

Volatile

God
Jun 18, 2018
1,286
I think a big part of the reason is that people have access to information about reliable methods online, so yeah, because of the internet. It would have been awful wanting to ctb before that but having no idea what drugs would do the trick, how partial works, where to aim with a gun, how high to jump and all that.

I also think people might be becoming more self-determining in general, and so more empowered to act against traditional social conventions like being pro life.
What's behind the growth of our self determination?
 
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wxtyubidi7y

Student
Jun 30, 2018
176
What's behind the growth of our self determination?
I don't have a good answer for that but I think shifts towards more independence and less conformism have been happening in the West since the 1950s.
 
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Angst Filled Fuck Up

Visionary
Sep 9, 2018
2,970
As much as I enjoy the internet, I think it's isolating, and has become a kind of insipid, low key addiction for many. With all this comes a potential host of psychological issues that I believe we haven't even worked out yet. The problem with the internet is that it's also a haven for just about every negative aspect of humanity. It lies, it cheats, it scams, it skews. It's difficult to have a healthy relationship with it.
 
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Pulpit2018

Pulpit2018

Experienced
Oct 8, 2018
287
Without the Internet,a lot of desperate people would have nowhere to turn to.Also they would make bad,low-information suicide attempts.
I also think that yes,it can push people who might have thoughts to act them.
It allows you to contact communities that you would have not the ability to do so offline.
There are both bad and good communities.
But specifically for desperate suicidal people,i think it helps them curb the isolation and also offer solutions.
 
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21Neberg

21Neberg

Enlightened
Dec 17, 2018
1,624
I think the negative side of the internet is so vastly underestimated, and thinking of it, has the internet even brought us more positives than negatives?
I use the internet daily, for hours on end. I won't lie - I'm dependant on it. However, I recognize how negatively the Internet has impacted my life. Take Instagram for example, where people sharing the best moments of their lives makes me want to die. And on subreddits like r/2meirl4meirl, I'm only surrounding myself with negativity and suicidal ideation.
I do think the internet is a reason, a big reason, as to why suicide rates (could be/are, have no source) higher in the 21st century.
 
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Arak

Enlightened
Sep 21, 2018
1,176
@Volatile ,

No. Maybe some influence, but not that much. People have been killing themselves for centuries.
 
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retarddd

Member
Aug 10, 2018
73
people have gotten more smarter and realised there isn't that many ways for their lives to be better (Financially, mentally, whatever), so its better to be dead. Why bother waiting 20 years and seeing the world heat up into venus when you could take the easy way out.
 
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Pulpit2018

Pulpit2018

Experienced
Oct 8, 2018
287
people have gotten more smarter and realised there isn't that many ways for their lives to be better (Financially, mentally, whatever), so its better to be dead.

Probably this.With all the information and ability to look outside your life,you can see that pessimism is winning ground.
People are just not that much willing to tolerate a life of misery anymore.For better or worse.
I guess that blends in with the general lack of meaning that a lot of people face in the modern world.
If you do not have a very good reason to withstand the misery of life,you probably will say screw it.
 
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creationisdeath

Specialist
Oct 20, 2018
359
I think the negative side of the internet is so vastly underestimated, and thinking of it, has the internet even brought us more positives than negatives?
I use the internet daily, for hours on end. I won't lie - I'm dependant on it. However, I recognize how negatively the Internet has impacted my life. Take Instagram for example, where people sharing the best moments of their lives makes me want to die. And on subreddits like r/2meirl4meirl, I'm only surrounding myself with negativity and suicidal ideation.
I do think the internet is a reason, a big reason, as to why suicide rates (could be/are, have no source) higher in the 21st century.
I agree. I also think the internet, as counter intuitive as it sounds, has ruined our relationships. All of them.

Even 3rd world shitholes have better social security, and I don't mean money. They have real connections. Meanwhile we have instagram and fakebook.

I'd like to leave it all behind and buy a house somewhere far away but that's simply too expensive for ordinary people. "Investors" have driven up prices virtually everywhere attainable.
 
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Misanthrope

Misanthrope

Mage
Oct 23, 2018
557
I think the internet has become for the most part toxic for a multitude of reasons. In fact I would go so far as to say that since people are growing up living vicariously through screens they are losing out on developing social skills. Which just leaves people isolated and lonely, because an emote hug does not have the same value as a genuine hug. The need for tactile contact is pretty extreme and I mean that on a biological level. A lot of media has also stunted direct interaction. Or made it easier to not take the risks involved in being uncomfortable, or being laughed at or rejected in public. Easier to hide behind a facade and talk about the blueberry muffin you ate. If you are not developing these skills you are pretty much condemning yourself to painful loneliness and awkwardness when forced into social situations. That then just reinforce how you can't handle social situations and why you should avoid them even more. Living a half life that is just satisfactory enough to keep you inside, but painful enough it is a chronic ache of emptiness, that is prodded painfully by looking at the joyful experiences of others on social media.

Loneliness kills. There is so much evidence on the toxic nature of loneliness I am surprised more effort is not made to treat loneliness like an impending heart attack…

I think it is worse than that because the internet is anonymous meaning every atrocity of sadism and cruelty can be inflicted and little happens in legal response. So the worst of humanity is fully on display and at work which can distort your world view of the decency of people. We live in a very switched on society where there is no break from the relentless updates and shifts in status and messages. So that bullying does not just stop at school, or work or, uni it follows you into your online world as well. This has factually driven people to suicide and is a growing problem. Bullying is already not effectively responded to in real life, even less so online.

The internet also feeds anxiety because of how media distorts reality to manipulate you for ad revenue, and fear sells better than positive stories and hope. Instead, force feeding you a terrifying world of countless rapists in the bushes and other bogeyman. I am really not surprised that anxiety is so high.

You are also having wider world views shut down because of various algorithms that quite literally stop you from seeing certain things, instead presenting to you what you like and what you already think. Creating walled gardens which are just entrenching tribalism. So things like hostility towards genders and vegan sausage rolls is higher. It also allows uninformed views to bloom unchallenged and wind up continually reinforced. I hold it responsible for the worsening depth of bigotry in its myriad of forms.

I feel like this is what Aldous Huxley was warning against. Solutions to tyranny and pain not being resolved because of the infinite availability of distraction. A distraction that I feel is making us more isolated and cut off than ever. A Skype call to your gran is not taking your gran to bingo and laughing with her in person as she steals your own card because you won.

My personal observation of clients who lived as shut-ins was they were not helped by mental health services, but by other services that led to finding friends, engaging with hobbies, and building confidence, and with that confidence came direction and purpose. Then they rarely graced my door again. Sadly I have seen the various programs that helped people outside of a hospital setting get closed down and therapies that specifically tackle Anxiety reduced to a skeletal joke.
 
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creationisdeath

Specialist
Oct 20, 2018
359
As for statistics, here are some: (US only though)

https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

Rates are steadily climbing. And if you're white + male you're as good as dead.

My personal observation of clients who lived as shut-ins was they were not helped by mental health services, but by other services that led to finding friends, engaging with hobbies, and building confidence, and with that confidence came direction and purpose. Then they rarely graced my door again. Sadly I have seen the various programs that helped people outside of a hospital setting get closed down and therapies that specifically tackle Anxiety reduced to a skeletal joke.

Your post hits hard. May I ask what you do since you said client? A therapist on a suicide forum would be intriguing.
 
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Smilla

Smilla

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Apr 30, 2018
2,549
I agree. I also think the internet, as counter intuitive as it sounds, has ruined our relationships. All of them.

Even 3rd world shitholes have better social security, and I don't mean money. They have real connections. Meanwhile we have instagram and fakebook.

I'd like to leave it all behind and buy a house somewhere far away but that's simply too expensive for ordinary people. "Investors" have driven up prices virtually everywhere attainable.

Excellent post.
 
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Misanthrope

Misanthrope

Mage
Oct 23, 2018
557
As for statistics, here are some: (US only though)

https://afsp.org/about-suicide/suicide-statistics/

Rates are steadily climbing. And if you're white + male you're as good as dead.



Your post hits hard. May I ask what you do since you said client? A therapist on a suicide forum would be intriguing.

I used to work as an advocate for the mentally ill. As well as those with learning difficulties. I also did some youth work for a time. Now I just puke a lot and play video games.
 
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ReadyasEver

ReadyasEver

Elementalist
Dec 6, 2018
828
Misanthrope, you drive the nail hard but you speak in truth. I sat here thinking of how many elderly people I knew that passed in a year or two after their spouse did. Coincidence, no way.
 
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Lefty

Mage
Dec 7, 2018
530
I think the Internet has its uses and its easier to find methods on the Internet. Plus there are sites like this. Although it seems the Internet has grown into a very toxic place. I really miss the old days of the Internet. Remember when Youtube first started? It was really cool, now its just a bunch of toxic people posting toxic videos. I long for the days of the old Internet before the toxcicity, if we were ever able to go back to those days, that would be great, but time moves on and so does the tech along with it.
 
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Johnnythefox

Johnnythefox

Que sera sera
Nov 11, 2018
3,129
It would seem that anything humans get involved with eventually ends up toxic.
 
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Johnnythefox

Que sera sera
Nov 11, 2018
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goesforemast

goesforemast

Member
Jan 12, 2019
35
I think the negative side of the internet is so vastly underestimated, and thinking of it, has the internet even brought us more positives than negatives?
I use the internet daily, for hours on end. I won't lie - I'm dependant on it. However, I recognize how negatively the Internet has impacted my life. Take Instagram for example, where people sharing the best moments of their lives makes me want to die. And on subreddits like r/2meirl4meirl, I'm only surrounding myself with negativity and suicidal ideation.
I do think the internet is a reason, a big reason, as to why suicide rates (could be/are, have no source) higher in the 21st century.

i can relate to this. before i deleted my instagram account i opened the app very often, seeing other people doing cool stuff with their friends and partners always made me feel sad because i will never be able to do the same because of my social fear. even though i know 99% of the people share only their positiv events on the internet it makes me feel bad because it wont happen to me.
 
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EmotionlessWanderer

EmotionlessWanderer

Specialist
Jan 19, 2019
352
People have been killing themselves left and right for centuries. It's just more notable now because of the internet.
 
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EmotionlessWanderer

EmotionlessWanderer

Specialist
Jan 19, 2019
352
But technically I agree with you. The internet makes somewhat giving up on reality faster because it's easier to reveal the dark and toxic side of mankind and reality if you look hard enough.
 
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Eren

Eren

Si hablas español mándame un MP
Oct 27, 2018
1,073
It is possible, although in my case the internet is really liberating for me, if it were not for the internet it would be even more isolated
 
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EmotionlessWanderer

EmotionlessWanderer

Specialist
Jan 19, 2019
352
It is possible, although in my case the internet is really liberating for me, if it were not for the internet it would be even more isolated
I 100% isolate myself from society whenever possible. A social life is not my thing nor is it interesting to me. If I could travel to a different world with nobody around I would do it in a heartbeat.
 
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Final Escape

I’ve been here too long
Jul 8, 2018
4,348
Lol! I see all the negatives and effects in the comments yet here we are not attempting to change it because we're addicted. I forgot what it's like to have to go out for interaction. When I do go I end up not enjoying it anyway and can't wait to come back to my prison cell like apartment.
 
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