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- Apr 18, 2018
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This topic is for the philosophy and logic of antinatalism. No personal attacks or disrespect. Antinatalism welcomes everyone and shows the wrongs of life.
Efilism is welcomed here also. I personally would go further than that and present physical/mathematical/logical to prove how life is inherently wrong.
There are many misconceptions about antinatalism:
1- Antinatalism is just a philosophy:
Nope, antinatalism is a logical conclusion and could show how everything else is wrong or self-contradictory.
2- Antinatalists are depressed or sad people:
Antinatalists are a variety of people with different types of personal details, some antinatalists are happy. There are many ways to reach this conclusion.
3- Parents can't be antinatalists:
Antinatalism welcomes anyone including parents, it would show how life is bad and instead of spreading prolife lies, they'll make sure they help their children in a bad world and respect their choices.
4- Antinatalism is about hating parents or people:
Nope, antinatalism shows how life is inherently bad. Personal emotions are different between people, you could love or hate and reach the same conclusion. There are antinatalists that love their parents and their parents respect their choice.
5- Antinatalism doesn't care about our emotions:
Nope, it cares about the emotions and care about decreasing the suffering. You can feel happy without the need for increasing the suffering.
6- Antinatalism doesn't support anything else:
Actually, antinatalism is a big support for other people like being pro-choice, euthanasia and right to die, LGBT, vegan. It doesn't necessarily mean that every antinatalist is a part of other groups but it supports them and completely understand.
7- Antinatalism is hate speech:
Antinatalism is completely against racism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia and any type of hate. Additionally, Antinatalists could simply prove how life is bad in a peaceful manner with logic and evidence and the hate comes from prolifers, in a similar way to how prolifers deal with suicidal people.
8- Antinatalism supports eugenics:
Nope, antinatalism is against birth completely regardless of genes.
9- Antinatalism is dark or pessimistic:
Antinatalism actually is realistic and would show the reality of life problems instead of ignoring them. People who use this point and #2 are usually doing it as a personal attack.
10- Antinatalism doesn't solve anything:
Wrong, antinatalism exposes every problem within life (and most people would ignore those problems anyway) then presents itself as a solution and supports other types of solutions that reduce the suffering like being pro-choice and it completely understand the suffering and circumstances of each individual. However, actually people don't want to solve those problems and they create more problems to distract themselves from the reality.
Again, this thread is scientific and logical. Please don't turn it into wars, disrespecting and using derogatory terms. There is much deep information, analysis, logic and science and its sad to not share it. People would live way better with knowing the truth and decreasing the suffering. Everyone is welcomed to look at facts and no gatekeeping here. Please use respectful and scientific language as much as possible. The goal is to provide concrete facts, proof and evidence of the wrongs of life in a peaceful way. Antinatalism is all about reducing and eliminating the suffering.
Efilism is welcomed here also. I personally would go further than that and present physical/mathematical/logical to prove how life is inherently wrong.
There are many misconceptions about antinatalism:
1- Antinatalism is just a philosophy:
Nope, antinatalism is a logical conclusion and could show how everything else is wrong or self-contradictory.
2- Antinatalists are depressed or sad people:
Antinatalists are a variety of people with different types of personal details, some antinatalists are happy. There are many ways to reach this conclusion.
3- Parents can't be antinatalists:
Antinatalism welcomes anyone including parents, it would show how life is bad and instead of spreading prolife lies, they'll make sure they help their children in a bad world and respect their choices.
4- Antinatalism is about hating parents or people:
Nope, antinatalism shows how life is inherently bad. Personal emotions are different between people, you could love or hate and reach the same conclusion. There are antinatalists that love their parents and their parents respect their choice.
5- Antinatalism doesn't care about our emotions:
Nope, it cares about the emotions and care about decreasing the suffering. You can feel happy without the need for increasing the suffering.
6- Antinatalism doesn't support anything else:
Actually, antinatalism is a big support for other people like being pro-choice, euthanasia and right to die, LGBT, vegan. It doesn't necessarily mean that every antinatalist is a part of other groups but it supports them and completely understand.
7- Antinatalism is hate speech:
Antinatalism is completely against racism, homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia and any type of hate. Additionally, Antinatalists could simply prove how life is bad in a peaceful manner with logic and evidence and the hate comes from prolifers, in a similar way to how prolifers deal with suicidal people.
8- Antinatalism supports eugenics:
Nope, antinatalism is against birth completely regardless of genes.
9- Antinatalism is dark or pessimistic:
Antinatalism actually is realistic and would show the reality of life problems instead of ignoring them. People who use this point and #2 are usually doing it as a personal attack.
10- Antinatalism doesn't solve anything:
Wrong, antinatalism exposes every problem within life (and most people would ignore those problems anyway) then presents itself as a solution and supports other types of solutions that reduce the suffering like being pro-choice and it completely understand the suffering and circumstances of each individual. However, actually people don't want to solve those problems and they create more problems to distract themselves from the reality.
Again, this thread is scientific and logical. Please don't turn it into wars, disrespecting and using derogatory terms. There is much deep information, analysis, logic and science and its sad to not share it. People would live way better with knowing the truth and decreasing the suffering. Everyone is welcomed to look at facts and no gatekeeping here. Please use respectful and scientific language as much as possible. The goal is to provide concrete facts, proof and evidence of the wrongs of life in a peaceful way. Antinatalism is all about reducing and eliminating the suffering.