Anti-suicide people

[Strumgewehr]

It is a general consensus around here that everyone (should) have a right to end their life peacefully and understandably so. Everyone has a different reason as to why they want to CTB and they come to terms with it at different stages of life. Some early and others later in life. The sub-group of people that I'm mainly concerned with are the pro-lifers who during their entire life, were stubbornly opposed to the right to die and felt that they were entitled to dictate weather others should be able to end their life or not, and to whom no amount of explaining could make them doubt that maybe they were being a tad bit unfair. But at some point something bad happens in their life, like an accident or a cancer, their quality if life diminishes, only then all of a sudden suicide starts not to seem so sinister of an Idea to them. Now I'm not talking about young teens or people who were born with silver spoon in their mouth who never had a chance to experience the cruelty of life. Also people who at least admit that right to die sounds inherently repulsive but they realize they are not qualified to judge and choose to stay neutral get a pass in my book. I'm a strong believer of the idea that people should get what they deserve at all cost, be it punishment or reward. Nobody should be let off the hook.
Should those pro-lifers be forgiven and given a seat on the bus? Or should get to reap what they sowed... at least for a good while before finally letting them end their suffering? what do you think?

 

[GoPeaceful]

I think those people should be forgiven. For outstanding people it can be really hard to understand suicidal people. In my life there was also a time in which i wasn't able to understand why people even would consider suicide. But as time fly's by, you learn more and more.
Of course it isn't ok to rob you your right to die, but people do so because they want to protect you, they don't know better.

 

[Santiago]

Here's why I partly understand the anti-suicide movement. Mental health has almost become a trend. We see people act like they have serious problems all the time just because it's a cool thing to them. (The youth are a perfect example). Depression etc... is almost a lifestyle. I come to that conclusion daily when interacting with people at my university.

What those people mainly want to avoid is people committing suicide over small problems that will go away with time. Think about people killing themselves because of a nude picture that got leaked or because they recently broke up with what seemed to them as the love of their life. Just some examples of cases where I can understand that people go: 'hey give it some time before making any quick decisions'

Should you give those people an easy accessible assisted suicide option? Absolutely not if you ask me.

Then again there are people who have given their problems enough time and whose problems are real issues. Those people should have this option at all times if it's up to me. That's why communication between said person and the assistants is crucial.

So for those people and elderly I hope the future changes and society becomes more accepting towards assisted suicide.

Both sides have flaws and qualified people should come up with a good structure that benefits both sides.

 

[Strumgewehr]

I think those people should be forgiven. For outstanding people it can be really hard to understand suicidal people. In my life there was also a time in which i wasn't able to understand why people even would consider suicide. But as time fly's by, you learn more and more.
Of course it isn't ok to rob you your right to die, but people do so because they want to protect you, they don't know better.

Of course it is reasonable for people to be against their loved ones killing themselves. I'm talking about people who have made it their part-time job to oppose the right to die. Activists, lawmakers and such. IDK, It just doesn't feel right just to forgive them and forget all the suffering they have caused.

 

[Roberto]

It is a general consensus around here that everyone (should) have a right to end their life peacefully and understandably so. Everyone has a different reason as to why they want to CTB and they come to terms with it at different stages of life. Some early and others later in life. The sub-group of people that I'm mainly concerned with are the pro-lifers who during their entire life, were stubbornly opposed to the right to die and felt that they were entitled to dictate weather others should be able to end their life or not, and to whom no amount of explaining could make them doubt that maybe they were being a tad bit unfair. But at some point something bad happens in their life, like an accident or a cancer, their quality if life diminishes, only then all of a sudden suicide starts not to seem so sinister of an Idea to them. Now I'm not talking about young teens or people who were born with silver spoon in their mouth who never had a chance to experience the cruelty of life. Also people who at least admit that right to die sounds inherently repulsive but they realize they are not qualified to judge and choose to stay neutral get a pass in my book. I'm a strong believer of the idea that people should get what they deserve at all cost, be it punishment or reward. Nobody should be let off the hook.
Should those people be forgiven and given a seat on the bus? Or should get to reap what they sowed... at least for a good while before finally letting them end their suffering? what do you think?

I'm getting what I deserve. Nothing less. My loneliness it's forged by my continuous effort fucking each person in my life.
I always believed in the right to choose death.

 

[Strumgewehr]

Here's why I partly understand the anti-suicide movement. Mental health has almost become a trend. We see people act like they have serious problems all the time just because it's a cool thing to them. (The youth are a perfect example). Depression etc... is almost a lifestyle. I come to that conclusion daily when interacting with people at my university.

What those people mainly want to avoid is people committing suicide over small problems that will go away with time. Think about people killing themselves because of a nude picture that got leaked or because they recently broke up with what seemed to them as the love of their life. Just some examples of cases where I can understand that people go: 'hey give it some time before making any quick decisions'

Should you give those people an easy accessible assisted suicide option? Absolutely not if you ask me.

Then again there are people who have given their problems enough time and whose problems are real issues. Those people should have this option at all times if it's up to me. That's why communication between said person and the assistants is crucial.

So for those people and elderly I hope the future changes and society becomes more accepting towards assisted suicide.

Both sides have flaws and qualified people should come up with a good structure that benefits both sides.

Sure. People are up to stupid shit all the time. Cringy "depression" posts on facebook and whatnot. Me personally, I don't find the Idea of assisted suicide very appealing but I would surely appreciate suicide be de-criminalized and de-stigmatized. And methods should be made easy to obtain... after a qualifier test(whatever that might consist of).

 

[TAW122]

I think for the anti-suicide and pro-lifer people, well there are two camps, the ones who are misguided and misinformed but later come to learn the "truth" of why suicidal people choose suicide (not talking about impulsive ones per se, but those who are rational and have thoroughly considered it, planned it out and what not.) and then the staunch anti-suicide and pro-lifers. The staunch anti-suicide and pro-lifers are the worst of all due to their constant denial and close-mindedness. For the unchangeable minds (those who carry their stance to their grave), well, I'd say they should get a taste of their own medicine first before they get the ability to (unless they die before then) die with dignity or right to die. This is partially exacting some justice but mainly so they will actually "feel" what they subject us to for many years. These are also (usually) the same people who believe in suffering is a virtue and builds character or some bullshit like that.

I think it is ridiculous that society and most pro-lifers don't consider death or suicide to be an option, well until it happens to them, and even then there are still stubborn people who embrace the suffering and believes that it gets better or some misconception of 'hope'.

Of course it isn't ok to rob you your right to die, but people do so because they want to protect you, they don't know better.

I too, believe these people should be forgiven as they didn't know better, especially if they have truly changed their stance and become enlightened as well as accepting of others' choices.

 

[jules18]

Denying a peaceful exit is part and parcel of a bankrupt culture that has no regard for human dignity.

In ancient Rome you could petition the senate for suicide. Once the senate heard your claim and deemed your reasons good enough (why would you want suicide if you didn't have good reasons) they would provide hemlock poison for free made by experts in the craft. Today it takes months to seek out euthanasia options in foreign countries, and not without uncertainty and significant costs, unless you happen to be lucky enough to be born in the Netherlands of Belgium.

 

[TAW122]

Denying a peaceful exit is part and parcel of a bankrupt culture that has no regard for human dignity.

In ancient Rome you could petition the senate for suicide. Once the senate heard your claim and deemed your reasons good enough (why would you want suicide if you didn't have good reasons) they would provide hemlock poison for free made by experts in the craft. Today it takes months to seek out euthanasia options in foreign countries, and not without uncertainty and significant costs, unless you happen to be lucky enough to be born in the Netherlands of Belgium.

I blame the crusades, religion, and other stuff after the fall of the Roman Empire for making suicide taboo. Mainly, religion is to blame, especially twisting the original meaning of the Bible just to fit their needs. I guess from their pov it was important to keep their cult and members around, because they wouldn't be able to spread their influence around the world if their members mass suicided just to get to heaven early.

Another user I think it was @Janica333 summed up that suicide isn't necessarily a 'sin' in the Bible. Her post in this thread is worth a read.

 

[jules18]

I blame the crusades, religion, and other stuff after the fall of the Roman Empire for making suicide taboo. Mainly, religion is to blame, especially twisting the original meaning of the Bible just to fit their needs. I guess from their pov it was important to keep their cult and members around, because they wouldn't be able to spread their influence around the world if their members mass suicided just to get to heaven early.

Another user I think it was @Janica333 summed up that suicide isn't necessarily a 'sin' in the Bible. Her post in this thread is worth a read.

I agree, I believe early christians used to practice suicide as a way of reaching heaven. As you say they needed their members to spread the faith and culture, so the church began condemning it for political and selfish reasons.

I think God is a lot more benevolent than we give him credit for. So however you end up in the afterlife, by natural death or suicide, will make no difference. That's because your destiny is actually determined by astrology, not by temporary whims and random chance. That is why the Old Testament says God made us in His image, because we possess the same consciousness as He does, so it is natural that the structure of the solar system at the time of birth gives you the characteristics that personally define you (astrology). I think only the aborted grow up directly in heaven. Being born on earth and not in heaven is the price we pay for being human, that is descendants of flesh and spirit (God). But ultimately every ounce of suffering will have been worth it. I suppose this is the wager of human life, there is not much else to say.

 

[TAW122]

I agree, I believe early christians used to practice suicide as a way of reaching heaven. As you say they needed their members to spread the faith and culture, so the church began condemning it for political and selfish reasons.

I think God is a lot more benevolent than we give him credit for. So however you end up in the afterlife, by natural death or suicide, will make no difference. That's because your destiny is actually determined by astrology, not by temporary whims and random chance. That is why the Old Testament says God made us in His image, because we possess the same consciousness as He does, so it is natural that the structure of the solar system at the time of birth gives you the characteristics that personally define you (astrology). I think only the aborted grow up directly in heaven. Being born on earth and not in heaven is the price we pay for being human, that is descendants of flesh and spirit (God). But ultimately every ounce of suffering will have been worth it. I suppose this is the wager of human life, there is not much else to say.

While I'm an atheist and I believe that I will just simply stop existing and not sense anything (similar to what I was before I was 'born' into this world), I will say that that is an interesting explanation of what God and the original Bible is (for those who are religious).

 

[1964dodge]

please don't stone me to death(maybe a method lol) but i'm pro-life and anti-suicide for the most part even though I have considered it and made a plan thanks to this site but no date yet. I think suicide should be a last choice after everything else has been tried, for me its chronic pain, bad copd, and diabetes , I have to take insulin. I have no chance of recovery from the pain , I've tried for 20 years and copd, tried for 2 years. I think physical or mental heath doesn't matter people should make sure they can't have a good quality of life. if their life is going to be bad and know it won't get better then they should be allowed to die with dignity. my point is suicide is a last resort try to get better if not, see you on the other side

 

[TAW122]

please don't stone me to death(maybe a method lol) but i'm pro-life and anti-suicide for the most part even though I have considered it and made a plan thanks to this site but no date yet. I think suicide should be a last choice after everything else has been tried, for me its chronic pain, bad copd, and diabetes , I have to take insulin. I have no chance of recovery from the pain , I've tried for 20 years and copd, tried for 2 years. I think physical or mental heath doesn't matter people should make sure they can't have a good quality of life. if their life is going to be bad and know it won't get better then they should be allowed to die with dignity. my point is suicide is a last resort try to get better if not, see you on the other side

I respect your opinion and yes, I will agree partially that it is recommended that people try to improve their lives first, but failing that and after a long time of suffering, they should be afforded the ability to exit this existence.