AnderDethsky
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- Oct 19, 2024
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This post is dedicated to those who, like me, are agnostics or who just grew up in a religious environment, who are convinced that they are doomed to commit suicide someday, but have fears of potentially worse "consequences" afterwards, as well as those who cannot decide to CTB because of this.
Note how many of those who finally decide to leave the Earth tend to "say goodbye" to the world before doing so: closing loans, tidying up the room, destroying data from PC disks, maybe burning their photos and breaking up (in their thoughts or even in reality) with any acquaintances.
The same applies to putting your inner world in order, closing and harmonizing all the issues and everything that concerns you, so that you feel some logical conclusion. And I know from myself what could probably stop you and make you less decisive, namely the lack of clarity on one question, although very speculative, but frighteningly convincing, which somewhere in the depths of the subcortex makes many of us hesitate in our decisions due to the enormous frequency of this topic in any culture and nation — faith and the afterlife.
Certainly, there are hard-core atheists among us who have no problem ignoring the supernatural spiritual dimension of existence and non-existence, their position is strong enough to be immune to any pro-life religious propaganda that compels them to stay alive at any cost, even at the cost of continuing their suffering. But I think there are also just as many with a more shaky, wavering position.
Conformism — really a powerful thing, developed evolutionarily in us, because those of our ancestors who did not listen to the majority - in the end did not follow it, did not survive and did not leave their offspring. So individuals who were truly indifferent to the opinions and beliefs of others in our days is almost not found. But this is playing a cruel joke on us: any horribly exaggerated, brazenly anthropocentric images of paradise heaven with beautiful nymphets with wings or horrible hell with lava oceans just like in The Nether from Minecraft and horned red goblins - any absurdity and absurdity, invented by one person but repeated enough times by billions of people, and also from culture to culture, from generation to generation, will make any of us inside something to falter and finally say – both pyramids are white.
As with any serious discussion, we need a couple of clarifications: What we are going to talk about next will be about the monotheistic religions with personified god. Let me clarify why this is important:
In this version of deity, something called "God" is directly and essentially a person with a will like the rest of us, but with /gamemode 1, that is, complete power over all matter and the destinies of others. And now think about it, perhaps this is one of the few representations of the deity of all that have managed to spawn people, which can really be assumed that he will be any care about us, the inhabitants of this tiny pale blue pixel, and our actions on it. Which is not so much to say about pantheism, which Einstein believed in, in which the whole universe is a god, in pantheism and there is no one to point to, who could bother himself with the fate of countless hairless primates among the lifeless landscapes of space.
We will also take as a fact for further reasoning that God is exactly as we imagine from the sacred scriptures - he is all-good, all-powerful, all-knowing. And since he was created in our likeness (oh, "more precisely" the other way around, whatever) – his ideas about human feelings, morality and notions of justice coincide with what most of us mean by it. With heaven and hell it should be very clear what is what, the first is a reward, a well-deserved rest from being, the second is some kind of punishment, or eternal burning in a cauldron with really felt pain, and in every second the pain is the same as in the first. And here we can already start with that, I suggest you for convenience to invent some imaginary lawyer, who as well as any real one, will represent and defend your interests for you, but not just anywhere, but right in front of God himself, right after you have made up your mind and finally successfully caught the bus, and God now needs to decide whether to punish you or to give you rest.
Having recovered from the first wave of shock of meeting the real God, suppose you have decided to argue for the best place you can hope for, preferably where you can rest, accordingly the lawyer needs to persuade God to show his infinite mercy to you, and that is the strongest arguments he could provide:
Sins are not the final judgment.
Although suicide is considered a sin, sins can be forgiven. We know from scriptures like the Bible that they often speak of forgiveness, God's mercy is vast and God can take circumstances into account. A soul can be saved, God can accept it because of those circumstances even if it has made choices in life that many would evaluate as wrong.
Failure to realize the consequences
Many religious traditions in modern times have come to view mental health and state of mind at the time of the act as an important factor when it comes to sin and responsibility. Factors such as mental illness and trauma can be seen as what prevented the soul from fully in the moment realizing its actions, which can play as a mitigating factor.
Sinner-Victim =/= Sinner-Predator.
We can imagine what it could be like when the person who committed suicide was a victim of bullying, abuse, violence. And the person who caused the future suicide victim to suffer, later lived a very carefree life in full prosperity without knowing any troubles.
In fact, both victim and abuser will be sinners and deserve hell, but the circumstances of their sins make it impossible in any sober mind to call them equal sinners, much less is it right to punish both victim and predator equally, (much less)² place them back in the same world? The deep human sense of justice (and we believe God has the same) within the overwhelming number of us would suggest that those who have suffered in life definitely deserve God's mercy and rest from further suffering. And if God is truly forgiving and loving, he will not make a victim suffer again.
Finally, according to some other variants of this belief, God, listening to you, may consider all your sufferings on Earth as something not so worthwhile compared to your sin, for example, to present them as a test, something that should in some way nurture your soul, toughen it up to a higher level. From this point of view you should have passed this test to your natural end, but you failed. And you know what?
- You still don't deserve to be harsh punished. Let me remember my student years:
First 2 years I passed all my exams with flying colors, even the most difficult subjects like higher math, and I nevertheless did not look down on those who for whatever reason could not pass them the first time. Just like when I lost interest in my 3rd year and started failing subject after subject, it is unlikely that this alone made me sink in someone's eyes, just because I failed.
If life is a same test, but for the our soul, then it is absolutely normal when for some reason it turns out to be impossible for someone, whether it is because someone did not have enough of his own deposit to pass it or because the test itself was ineptly designed. Yes, it is certainly wonderful and worthy of encouragement to have an outstanding ability to overcome difficulties and excellent academic performance, but there is nothing terrible if someone does not cope with it. There is nothing shameful, disgraceful, or catastrophic in not being able to do something for any of us, because only God himself can do everything. He is omnipotent, so he is the most perfect in anything, take anything and it will turn out to be less perfect than him, and so will we - mere human souls. It is natural and noble for us to strive for perfection, but not until we begin to go out of our way to appear to be something we are not, to stop being ourselves. We, human souls, were not created to be perfect, although we strive for it, but it means that we only strive: We are so many of us because we are together the sum total of all possible ways to this perfection. Some have progressed more, some have progressed less - and that's normal, each to his own.
We were not designed to be able to do absolutely everything we are asked to do, otherwise, instead of a multitude of us UNIQUE there would be an abundance of us IDENTICAL – identical in our omnipotence. The latter would clearly be redundant and agree, not as interesting as the former. Practically, to do anything, there is only enough of just one such who can do anything. And as I have already said, the one who can do absolutely everything, he already exists.
And you know his name very well.
Note how many of those who finally decide to leave the Earth tend to "say goodbye" to the world before doing so: closing loans, tidying up the room, destroying data from PC disks, maybe burning their photos and breaking up (in their thoughts or even in reality) with any acquaintances.
The same applies to putting your inner world in order, closing and harmonizing all the issues and everything that concerns you, so that you feel some logical conclusion. And I know from myself what could probably stop you and make you less decisive, namely the lack of clarity on one question, although very speculative, but frighteningly convincing, which somewhere in the depths of the subcortex makes many of us hesitate in our decisions due to the enormous frequency of this topic in any culture and nation — faith and the afterlife.
Certainly, there are hard-core atheists among us who have no problem ignoring the supernatural spiritual dimension of existence and non-existence, their position is strong enough to be immune to any pro-life religious propaganda that compels them to stay alive at any cost, even at the cost of continuing their suffering. But I think there are also just as many with a more shaky, wavering position.
Conformism — really a powerful thing, developed evolutionarily in us, because those of our ancestors who did not listen to the majority - in the end did not follow it, did not survive and did not leave their offspring. So individuals who were truly indifferent to the opinions and beliefs of others in our days is almost not found. But this is playing a cruel joke on us: any horribly exaggerated, brazenly anthropocentric images of paradise heaven with beautiful nymphets with wings or horrible hell with lava oceans just like in The Nether from Minecraft and horned red goblins - any absurdity and absurdity, invented by one person but repeated enough times by billions of people, and also from culture to culture, from generation to generation, will make any of us inside something to falter and finally say – both pyramids are white.
Images from a Soviet scientific movie "Me and Others" (1971)
The movie was about several psychological experiments demonstrating the dependence of an individual on society.
The film showed such an experience: two pyramids - black and white - on a table. Beforehand, the participants of the experiment are given the following attitude: when they are asked to name what color the pyramids are, they will say that both of them are white, although one of them is black. Then a test subject is invited - the only one who is not aware of what is happening. One by one, they begin to turn to the participants and ask a prearranged question. The participants answer that both pyramids are white. And then it's the turn of our one and only test subject. And he answers?! "Both are white."
The movie was about several psychological experiments demonstrating the dependence of an individual on society.
The film showed such an experience: two pyramids - black and white - on a table. Beforehand, the participants of the experiment are given the following attitude: when they are asked to name what color the pyramids are, they will say that both of them are white, although one of them is black. Then a test subject is invited - the only one who is not aware of what is happening. One by one, they begin to turn to the participants and ask a prearranged question. The participants answer that both pyramids are white. And then it's the turn of our one and only test subject. And he answers?! "Both are white."
As with any serious discussion, we need a couple of clarifications: What we are going to talk about next will be about the monotheistic religions with personified god. Let me clarify why this is important:
In this version of deity, something called "God" is directly and essentially a person with a will like the rest of us, but with /gamemode 1, that is, complete power over all matter and the destinies of others. And now think about it, perhaps this is one of the few representations of the deity of all that have managed to spawn people, which can really be assumed that he will be any care about us, the inhabitants of this tiny pale blue pixel, and our actions on it. Which is not so much to say about pantheism, which Einstein believed in, in which the whole universe is a god, in pantheism and there is no one to point to, who could bother himself with the fate of countless hairless primates among the lifeless landscapes of space.
We will also take as a fact for further reasoning that God is exactly as we imagine from the sacred scriptures - he is all-good, all-powerful, all-knowing. And since he was created in our likeness (oh, "more precisely" the other way around, whatever) – his ideas about human feelings, morality and notions of justice coincide with what most of us mean by it. With heaven and hell it should be very clear what is what, the first is a reward, a well-deserved rest from being, the second is some kind of punishment, or eternal burning in a cauldron with really felt pain, and in every second the pain is the same as in the first. And here we can already start with that, I suggest you for convenience to invent some imaginary lawyer, who as well as any real one, will represent and defend your interests for you, but not just anywhere, but right in front of God himself, right after you have made up your mind and finally successfully caught the bus, and God now needs to decide whether to punish you or to give you rest.
Having recovered from the first wave of shock of meeting the real God, suppose you have decided to argue for the best place you can hope for, preferably where you can rest, accordingly the lawyer needs to persuade God to show his infinite mercy to you, and that is the strongest arguments he could provide:
Sins are not the final judgment.
Although suicide is considered a sin, sins can be forgiven. We know from scriptures like the Bible that they often speak of forgiveness, God's mercy is vast and God can take circumstances into account. A soul can be saved, God can accept it because of those circumstances even if it has made choices in life that many would evaluate as wrong.
Failure to realize the consequences
Many religious traditions in modern times have come to view mental health and state of mind at the time of the act as an important factor when it comes to sin and responsibility. Factors such as mental illness and trauma can be seen as what prevented the soul from fully in the moment realizing its actions, which can play as a mitigating factor.
Sinner-Victim =/= Sinner-Predator.
We can imagine what it could be like when the person who committed suicide was a victim of bullying, abuse, violence. And the person who caused the future suicide victim to suffer, later lived a very carefree life in full prosperity without knowing any troubles.
In fact, both victim and abuser will be sinners and deserve hell, but the circumstances of their sins make it impossible in any sober mind to call them equal sinners, much less is it right to punish both victim and predator equally, (much less)² place them back in the same world? The deep human sense of justice (and we believe God has the same) within the overwhelming number of us would suggest that those who have suffered in life definitely deserve God's mercy and rest from further suffering. And if God is truly forgiving and loving, he will not make a victim suffer again.
Finally, according to some other variants of this belief, God, listening to you, may consider all your sufferings on Earth as something not so worthwhile compared to your sin, for example, to present them as a test, something that should in some way nurture your soul, toughen it up to a higher level. From this point of view you should have passed this test to your natural end, but you failed. And you know what?
- You still don't deserve to be harsh punished. Let me remember my student years:
First 2 years I passed all my exams with flying colors, even the most difficult subjects like higher math, and I nevertheless did not look down on those who for whatever reason could not pass them the first time. Just like when I lost interest in my 3rd year and started failing subject after subject, it is unlikely that this alone made me sink in someone's eyes, just because I failed.
If life is a same test, but for the our soul, then it is absolutely normal when for some reason it turns out to be impossible for someone, whether it is because someone did not have enough of his own deposit to pass it or because the test itself was ineptly designed. Yes, it is certainly wonderful and worthy of encouragement to have an outstanding ability to overcome difficulties and excellent academic performance, but there is nothing terrible if someone does not cope with it. There is nothing shameful, disgraceful, or catastrophic in not being able to do something for any of us, because only God himself can do everything. He is omnipotent, so he is the most perfect in anything, take anything and it will turn out to be less perfect than him, and so will we - mere human souls. It is natural and noble for us to strive for perfection, but not until we begin to go out of our way to appear to be something we are not, to stop being ourselves. We, human souls, were not created to be perfect, although we strive for it, but it means that we only strive: We are so many of us because we are together the sum total of all possible ways to this perfection. Some have progressed more, some have progressed less - and that's normal, each to his own.
We were not designed to be able to do absolutely everything we are asked to do, otherwise, instead of a multitude of us UNIQUE there would be an abundance of us IDENTICAL – identical in our omnipotence. The latter would clearly be redundant and agree, not as interesting as the former. Practically, to do anything, there is only enough of just one such who can do anything. And as I have already said, the one who can do absolutely everything, he already exists.
And you know his name very well.
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