reapandsow918

reapandsow918

Let the waves take me
Nov 6, 2019
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Hi guys. I was wondering if I should stay sober during my transition of moving out to CTB alone. I am literally at risk of losing my freedom again if I end up back in another psych ward. Should I stay sober to prevent any relapses?

Alcohol does help numb depression.
 
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Nov 8, 2019
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Hey reapandsow! I'm currently going through a very rough patch myself. I was recently admitted to a psych ward after attempting. I was drunk when I went to the hospital and I think that definitely influenced their decision to admit me. I currently drink most nights as I agree with you that alcohol numbs the pain, I'm able to complete my school work a lot easier and think better of myself. If you think that cutting out the alcohol would help clear your thoughts and help your situation then I think you should try and be sober. I know how hard it is, especially when your alone and its night and you just need some peace. I think cutting out alcohol only has benefits for people. Sorry if this isn't the advice you were expecting. I hope you can find peace :heart:
 
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Hi guys. I was wondering if I should stay sober during my transition of moving out to CTB alone. I am literally at risk of losing my freedom again if I end up back in another psych ward. Should I stay sober to prevent any relapses?

Alcohol does help numb depression.
Alcohol does NOT numb depression! Alcohol itself IS a depressant. Alcohol-use disorder and depression are two conditions that often occur together. What's more, one can make the other worse in a cycle that's very, very difficult to break: the worse you feel the more you drink, the more you drink the worse you feel, the worse you feel...on and on.
 
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reapandsow918

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Hey reapandsow! I'm currently going through a very rough patch myself. I was recently admitted to a psych ward after attempting. I was drunk when I went to the hospital and I think that definitely influenced their decision to admit me. I currently drink most nights as I agree with you that alcohol numbs the pain, I'm able to complete my school work a lot easier and think better of myself. If you think that cutting out the alcohol would help clear your thoughts and help your situation then I think you should try and be sober. I know how hard it is, especially when your alone and its night and you just need some peace. I think cutting out alcohol only has benefits for people. Sorry if this isn't the advice you were expecting. I hope you can find peace :heart:
This is exactly the advice I was looking for. Thank you. And I am sorry that you are also going through a rough time. Unfortunately, psych wards have no mercy when it comes to alcohol or drugs. They will literally take advantage of you and I don't want to be in that situation again. Hopefully you don't have that much time locked up. ❤️
 
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This is exactly the advice I was looking for. Thank you. And I am sorry that you are also going through a rough time. Unfortunately, psych wards have no mercy when it comes to alcohol or drugs. They will literally take advantage of you and I don't want to be in that situation again. Hopefully you don't have that much time locked up. ❤
Thankfully I got out last week! It was only 2 days as I was able to BS my way out of there. I prefer to be on my own for this sort of thing. And you're right they definitely go hard on any mention of drugs and alcohol. Thanks for your kind words!
 
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Alcohol does NOT numb depression! Alcohol itself IS a depressant. Alcohol-use disorder and depression are two conditions that often occur together. What's more, one can make the other worse in a cycle that's very, very difficult to break: the worse you feel the more you drink, the more you drink the worse you feel, the worse you feel...on and on.

Actually, alcohol in small quantities is a stimulant, and in large quantities is a depressant
 
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I find alcohol makes me more emotional so I'm more likely to act of character (like call friends or family). I plan to be sober the day off but definitely getting smashed the days leading up to it.
 
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Johnny23

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Dec 5, 2019
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I find alcohol makes me more emotional so I'm more likely to act of character (like call friends or family). I plan to be sober the day off but definitely getting smashed the days leading up to it.
I stopped drinking one year ago for the same reason. It makes me too emotional and i have the feeling to fall into a never ending hole. I am waiting for my last day, when i will take my last drink. cheers.
 
fightingsioux

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Oct 22, 2019
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Actually, alcohol in small quantities is a stimulant, and in large quantities is a depressant
Not exactly, though we're really just talking about getting our terms right, not the thing itself.

Alcohol is a drug. It is identified in the class of depressant-class drugs. One teaspoon or a whole bottle, it is a depressant-class drug.

But what you're saying is correct. The effect of a small amount of alcohol is as a stimulant.

Alcohol literally affects the chemistry of the brain. After tens of thousand of years--maybe more than that--we still don't exactly know how it works. But as I'm sure you know, since a clinically depressed person most likely already has problems with their brain chemistry, it's best not to introduce alcohol in any quantity.

That's what I was trying to get across to the OP. :heh:
 
Temporarilyabsurd

Temporarilyabsurd

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After tens of thousand of years--maybe more than that--we still don't exactly know how it works.

This interests me quite a bit.
I was a lush for thirty years.
Quit about four years ago.
Looking back the detox phase was crazy.
I was all over the place .

I feel relatively calm now ... compared to when I just stopped.

One thing I have taken away from it is that it takes a long time to adjust to sobriety.
( That's my experience anyway . )

Also .. it feels like I reconnected with some 'drowned trauma' without the numbing resource of alcohol.

I was such a damn happy alcoholic.
People commented on it .
"No worries in the zone "

It makes me wonder as to the benefits of sobriety .

There is a lot to be said for clearer thinking though .

A bit matrixy though in the sense of Cypher desiring the flavour of the virtual steak.
It was so nice to relax into that duvet of feathery warm mothers milk chemical
blockage of the thought horrors.

So it's grey gruel on the Nebuchadnezzar and the Centinals trying to lazer their way into
my life boat ... but it is more real .

Being hung over or blotto was 'real' though , for so long .

I did want to mention about the anxiety quelling effects of alcohol.
That was the real buzz I missed .

Anxiety and depression seem to be on the same spectrum from what I have read ..
It's a tricky dance .

( "Don't worry , he won't get far on foot" , a great film about this booze nightmare .)
 
fightingsioux

fightingsioux

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Oct 22, 2019
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This interests me quite a bit.
I was a lush for thirty years.
Quit about four years ago.
Looking back the detox phase was crazy.
I was all over the place .

I feel relatively calm now ... compared to when I just stopped.

One thing I have taken away from it is that it takes a long time to adjust to sobriety.
( That's my experience anyway . )

Also .. it feels like I reconnected with some 'drowned trauma' without the numbing resource of alcohol.

I was such a damn happy alcoholic.
People commented on it .
"No worries in the zone "

It makes me wonder as to the benefits of sobriety .

There is a lot to be said for clearer thinking though .

A bit matrixy though in the sense of Cypher desiring the flavour of the virtual steak.
It was so nice to relax into that duvet of feathery warm mothers milk chemical
blockage of the thought horrors.

So it's grey gruel on the Nebuchadnezzar and the Centinals trying to lazer their way into
my life boat ... but it is more real .

Being hung over or blotto was 'real' though , for so long .

I did want to mention about the anxiety quelling effects of alcohol.
That was the real buzz I missed .

Anxiety and depression seem to be on the same spectrum from what I have read ..
It's a tricky dance .

( "Don't worry , he won't get far on foot" , a great film about this booze nightmare .)
Saw that movie last year, great, one of the year's best but not widely seen, did not do well at the box office.

I had a serious problem with alcohol and drugs in the wild and woolly 60's and 70's--I thought that all artists were supposed to be substance abusers:blarg:--but managed to straighten out and had a good family, good friends, good life.

Best of luck, my friend.
 
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Moonicide

Moonicide

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Nov 19, 2019
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I would suggest refrain from drinking, or at least drinking in moderation. Drinking tends to lead to a crash for me, but I am also Bipolar. In the moment it's a good decision, and I am numb for a few hours. But when it wears off I end up feeling worse than I did in the beginning.
 
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itsamadworld

itsamadworld

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Mar 15, 2020
410
I smoke weed to control my alcohol intake. Marijuana used to be prescribed as a way to treat alcoholism, before the FDA got their way!...and it works for me, because I don't drink as much...True, l'm basically trading addictions! But I figure, I'm damned if I quit, damned if I don't; because often times, no medical meds work for people with BPD...so I'm left with no hope, but in my dope, because I cannot cope! But I'm sure I should quit both, but i am at such a low and so tired of the societal demands...I just wanna die....I hope you find a better way to cope...hope is dope...I guess....lol
 

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