Help Alcohol and N help

[nihilistic_dragon]

So some say a drink after N helps, some say it's not really necessary. I think I may want to play it safe and wash N down with alcohol. However, I have a problem. I am a non-drinker. Never ever drank in my life. Any advice on how to train myself to tolerate it? How long in advance should I start my training, months or weeks or days? Also, I know virtually nothing about alcohol - any recs on what exactly I should drink?

 

[kinderbueno]

I've heard cider is nice. You could try drinking low alcohol drinks too but I don't know if they'd be as effective as normal alcoholic drinks

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

I've heard cider is nice. You could try drinking low alcohol drinks too but I don't know if they'd be as effective as normal alcoholic drinks

Thanks. I'll research about cider. I think the recommendation is to have a fairly strong drink.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

What exactly is drinking alcohol after taking N purported to do? It's supposed to help what exactly? Just dull the nasty taste of the N? It's not reported to help potentiate the N, right? Is it more for a "last drink on the planet earth" kind of thing?

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

What exactly is drinking alcohol after taking N purported to do? It's supposed to help what exactly? Just dull the nasty taste of the N? It's not reported to help potentiate the N, right? Is it more for a "last drink on the planet earth" kind of thing?

According to PHH, it helps mask the nasty taste of N, yes. And also helps speed N's action.

This other book I've read suggests mixing N with "peach or apricot nectar" to mask the taste - although I don't think mixing it with anything is a good idea since it increases the volume of the lethal drink, so more nasty stuff to gulp up. That book doesn't recommend alcohol as it is not clear if it helps significantly or not and in what dosage, plus it may also increase the risk of vomiting. The book is quite old though, so idk.

 

[justanotherdaynow]

What exactly is drinking alcohol after taking N purported to do? It's supposed to help what exactly? Just dull the nasty taste of the N? It's not reported to help potentiate the N, right? Is it more for a "last drink on the planet earth" kind of thing?

Supposedly it makes the effects happen sooner is what some have said, basically making the person fall asleep faster.

 

[Esokabat]

You realize that N is much worse tasting than alcohol, right? If you find 40% alcohol such as whiskey hard to drink, your biggest challenge will be drinking the N, not the alcohol.

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

You realize that N is much worse tasting than alcohol, right? If you find 40% alcohol such as whiskey hard to drink, your biggest challenge will be drinking the N, not the alcohol.

No, I am really stupid and was waiting for you to point that out. Thank you so much for this moment of epiphany!

 

[locked*n*loaded]

According to PHH, it helps mask the nasty taste of N, yes. And also helps speed N's action.

Chloraseptic spray can do that, too. Altoids also. Don't remember reading in the PPH that alcohol potentiates N. I'll take your word for it, though.

 

[Esokabat]

No, I am really stupid and was waiting for you to point that out. Thank you so much for this moment of epiphany!

How would I know if you are stupid or not without knowing you? There have been plenty of stupid questions on this site so I don't assume everyone here is sharp. There have been people who failed to drink the N due to taste. Worrying about whether you will be able to drink 20-30 ml alcohol as a chaser when you first have to drink 200-250 ml of an extremely unpleasant substance, that even alcohol drinkers find hard to drink, indeed does sound a bit stupid to me.
Also, both benzos and alcohol have a very small cross-tolerance with N, so same as they tell you not to take benzos for a few weeks prior to N, I would certainly not practice with alcohol for a few weeks prior to N. It is a small cross-tolerance so it might not make a huge difference but that is what I will go for. And yes, worrying about drinking the alcohol (which is not even necessary) versus drinking the N, is on the stupid spectrum for me, personally.

 

[ange-gardien54]

Chloraseptic spray can do that, too. Altoids also. Don't remember reading in the PPH that alcohol potentiates N. I'll take your word for it, though.

Hello, I don't have access to PPH. Can you tell me a little more about the methods to find N please?

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

Chloraseptic spray can do that, too. Altoids also. Don't remember reading in the PPH that alcohol potentiates N. I'll take your word for it, though.

The spray and the altoids mask the taste? That's new information to me, thank you! PPH does mention that alcohol potentiates N, I just checked again. However, my notes say interactions with alcohol may occur if you're taking antiemetics. Boy I need to go and do some serious reading again. I may be better off skipping the alcohol altogether after all.

Hello, I don't have access to PPH. Can you tell me a little more about the methods to find N please?

There are links to PPH on this forum I believe. The editions are outdated but just read the most recent one. It's the best we can do - most of the information will still be relevant.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

The spray and the altoids mask the taste? That's new information to me, thank you! PPH does mention that alcohol potentiates N, I just checked again. However, my notes say interactions with alcohol may occur if you're taking antiemetics. Boy I need to go and do some serious reading again. I may be better off skipping the alcohol altogether after all.

Yeah, the chloraseptic and altoids, amongst other things, have been discussed as "helping" to reduce the nastiness of the taste. I just don't remember about the alcohol as I haven't read the PPH in a while and lost my copy due to a hard drive failure. I could definitely see how someone might want to have a drink, or two, or more, before ctb with any method, though. Personally, I don't drink, and haven't, since I gave it up 30 years ago.

Hello, I don't have access to PPH. Can you tell me a little more about the methods to find N please?

You can't download it through the sticky link anymore at the beginning of this section? I have no idea how to get N. I think you have to travel to S. America or something.

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

Yeah, the chloraseptic and altoids, amongst other things, have been discussed as "helping" to reduce the nastiness of the taste. I just don't remember about the alcohol as I haven't read the PPH in a while and lost my copy due to a hard drive failure. I could definitely see how someone might want to have a drink, or two, or more, before ctb with any method, though. Personally, I don't drink, and haven't, since I gave it up 30 years ago.

You can't download it through the sticky link anymore at the beginning of this section? I have no idea how to get N. I think you have to travel to S. America or something.

Great to know about the chloraseptic and altoids, I'm going to look into it more. Definitely would rather avoid alcohol since I also don't drink.

 

[Isbel88]

The taste of N is bad but bearable. I have tried a bottle that had expired.

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

The taste of N is bad but bearable. I have tried a bottle that had expired.

Good to know. Do you plan to wash it down with anything? Alcohol, some have suggested altoids, etc?

 

[Isbel88]

Good to know. Do you plan to wash it down with anything? Alcohol, some have suggested altoids, etc?

Between the moment you drink N and the moment you fall asleep you have two or three minutes... you don't have time for that.

 

[Ehloco]

So some say a drink after N helps, some say it's not really necessary. I think I may want to play it safe and wash N down with alcohol. However, I have a problem. I am a non-drinker. Never ever drank in my life. Any advice on how to train myself to tolerate it? How long in advance should I start my training, months or weeks or days? Also, I know virtually nothing about alcohol - any recs on what exactly I should drink?

Veterinary N/ Pentobarbital (Halatal) Taste + Strategies to Cope with the Taste

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Did someone link or did you check this thread out?

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

Veterinary N/ Pentobarbital (Halatal) Taste + Strategies to Cope with the Taste

Lost my old account so i created this new one. I decided to open one of my backup bottles to check the taste of the Veterinary liquid N /pentobarbital (Halatal) and see if its really bad. I just drink a tiny sip to check. Overall, its NOT that bad, it looks like a weaker/mild version of a cheap...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Did someone link or did you check this thread out?

Amazing, thanks so much for sharing that. Will be reading through it now. Right off the bat though - how exactly does the numbing of the tongue help, wouldn't it make it more difficult to swallow? Sorry if it's a dumb question. But I've never had any lidocaine yet and not sure how it works. I'm just kind of thinking like anesthesia numb, it's difficult to drink anything. Edit: found my answer in that thread!

Between the moment you drink N and the moment you fall asleep you have two or three minutes... you don't have time for that.

I haven't re-read PHH lately, but I thought it takes slightly more than 2-3 mins? More like 15?
Edit: I guess it depends on the person. Watched the video in that thread. The sweet lady passed out in just a few minutes. I hope I go just as easily.

 

[Alessa]

Also, both benzos and alcohol have a very small cross-tolerance with N, so same as they tell you not to take benzos for a few weeks prior to N, I would certainly not practice with alcohol for a few weeks prior to N. It is a small cross-tolerance so it might not make a huge difference but that is what I will go for. And yes, worrying about drinking the alcohol (which is not even necessary) versus drinking the N, is on the stupid spectrum for me, personally.

hi,
english is not my mothers tongue, so please bear with me, if I misunderstood. Iam training myself to get used to pure vodka. I take a 200 ml shot each day to get used to the bitter taste. That might sound weird, but I was told that the taste of N would be similar to cheap vodka mixed with teatree oil. Why is it bad to take benzos and alcohol a few weeks earlier? Is it counterproductive that Iam trying to get used to it? Should I stop to take my daily shots? Iam a bit confused, Iam sorry.

Is the taste really so bad? I mean, I already hate the taste of pure vodka. Now Iam really worried I wont be able to manage the taste of N. I want to test its taste. I have around 0,5 ml which I could use for a taste test. Do you think its fine to drink a small amount like that? Since I will need 200 ml, 0,5 ml should be fine to drink for a test, right?

best regards

 

[Tesha]

The taste of N isn't completely unbearable. Unfortunately I've got a bit extra (more than I need to CTB), so I use smaller amounts as a means to escape my daily issues. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't taste nice, but a quick squirt of toothpaste around the mouth is enough to take the worst of it away.

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

Why is it bad to take benzos and alcohol a few weeks earlier?

I have no idea about benzos but I do not recall any info in any of the books I've read on the subject that alcohol interferes with N.
N is supposedly just very bitter. Some people ate chocolate afterwards to mask the taste. Someone also suggested Altoids.

 

[Alessa]

Thanks guys for answering. I will find out how it tastes tomorrow. sadly I dont have too much so I can only take those 0,5 ml. as far as I remember, the pph only says that you can have a small drink of strong alc after to mask the taste. I dont recall that there is any effect of the alcohol to change the effect of N. But maybe its written in the newest pph version? havent read that.

I ordered these "miracle berrys", which are known for changing tastes into a sweeter one. Iam going to test it and let you know. What helps me after drinking vodka is the liquid inside the glas of olives. I rinse my mouth with it afterwards and then spit it out again. chocolate might be even better.

wished I had E, its only 50 ml to drink...

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

Thanks guys for answering. I will find out how it tastes tomorrow. sadly I dont have too much so I can only take those 0,5 ml. as far as I remember, the pph only says that you can have a small drink of strong alc after to mask the taste. I dont recall that there is any effect of the alcohol to change the effect of N. But maybe its written in the newest pph version? havent read that.

I ordered these "miracle berrys", which are known for changing tastes into a sweeter one. Iam going to test it and let you know. What helps me after drinking vodka is the liquid inside the glas of olives. I rinse my mouth with it afterwards and then spit it out again. chocolate might be even better.

wished I had E, its only 50 ml to drink...

Ugh I know, 200ml of bitterness seems like a lot. PPH does recommend a small strong drink after N, but as an option, not as a requirement really. Another book I read on this topic says it's not necessary.

Let us know how it tastes. I think when I get my hands on N I will also be practicing with vodka a little bit, just to train myself to ingest something bitter like that. I don't think I can do olive liquid but I like that idea - I generally don't salt my food, or if I do it's very, very minimal so I'm afraid it would just make me throw up ugh. And I don't like chocolate lmao. The only kind I could force myself to eat would be just plain dark chocolate which is bitter, so idk if that would help. But I like the idea of chocolate melting in your mouth in case you fall asleep sooner that you're able to swallow it, so that diminishes the choking hazard somewhat. So idk. Still up for debate for me I guess.

 

[Tesha]

It's bitter, not salty. It taste a bit chemical, but not quite enough to throw up. IME, it's palatable, a bit chemical fishy, but not unbearable. If you just squirt an amount of toothpaste into your mouth it's perfectly bearable.

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

It's bitter, not salty. It taste a bit chemical, but not quite enough to throw up. IME, it's palatable, a bit chemical fishy, but not unbearable. If you just squirt an amount of toothpaste into your mouth it's perfectly bearable.

Re: salty, we were talking about the liquid from olives, not N.

 

[Tesha]

Re: salty, we were talking about the liquid from olives, not N.

Ah. I'm a fair bit into a bottle of rum… oops and wish everyone well

 

[Alessa]

Hi

It's bitter, not salty. It taste a bit chemical, but not quite enough to throw up. IME, it's palatable, a bit chemical fishy, but not unbearable. If you just squirt an amount of toothpaste into your mouth it's perfectly bearable.

:)
Wdym by squirting toothpaste in your mouth? You mean before drinking N? But then you would swallow the toothpaste as well, which isnt that good of a mixture. You want to make sure to only drink N and nothing else, right?

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

Hi

:)
Wdym by squirting toothpaste in your mouth? You mean before drinking N? But then you would swallow the toothpaste as well, which isnt that good of a mixture. You want to make sure to only drink N and nothing else, right?

I think Tesha meant toothpaste after N. But I think mouthwash would be better?

 

[Alessa]

I think Tesha meant toothpaste after N. But I think mouthwash would be better?

yeah, thats what I would do. First drinking the N and afterwards another liquid to mouthwash. either chocolate or something bitter (but bearable) to mask the N taste. Dont have the miracle berrys yet. I once tested different sweeteners, but... well, it tastes totally different then, but still disgusting in another way.