Giraffey

Giraffey

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Mar 7, 2020
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For those that aren't familiar with my opening thread, I have set myself a date to say goodnight, a little less than a month from now. The only exception to that being if during that time my wretched existence somehow flourishes into life. I shalln't recount the events that led me here again, suffice to say that my pain is interminable and my capacity for stoicism is rapidly depleting.

Yesterday I saw a psychiatrist, who after a battery of testing, determined that I have a form of ADHD. I finally have an explanation for many of my limiting behaviours and a convincing retort to those (including myself) who simply thought I was lazy and unmotivated. The psychiatrist even explained how ADHD is responsible for my struggles with language, although I doubt this will prove convincing to those who continue to dismiss me as a pompous prick.

So far, so positive, but what use are the schematics to defuse the bomb after it's exploded and decimated my life?
 
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Esc9434

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I'm not familiar with your situation. Please tell me more about your ADHD symptoms.
 
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pole

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well, i recently turned 20 and also got some sort of ADD/ADHD diagnosis as well. not sure which yet, but i was given an assessment and found to show symptoms of it. and i mean, this is late as hell as well so i wouldn't say its completely late for you either.

though, vyvanse, which i was prescribed as the stimulant for add/adhd has really helped with giving me motivation, making me feel alot better. who knows, maybe it'll help in some way for you as well.
 
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Deformationalplagio

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I have add. People with add and adhd do have some benefits too though did she not tell you? We are usualy highly talented in stuff we like
 
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KiraLittleOwl

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ADHD is a huge pain in the ass, it ruined everything, it's my core issue I think.
Even my horrible mistakes are partially the product of this curse.
I have add. People with add and adhd do have some benefits too though did she not tell you? We are usualy highly talented in stuff we like
I don't know, I have good imagination but this is all about it
 
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I was diagnosed with ADHD at 36. Up to that point i'd led a life of on and off risky behaviour, impulsiveness, drug use, low level criminality, social anxiety, was naughty/inattentive in school, not following rules/norms (which actually benefited my career as i was able to think outside of the 'box'), competitiveness and excelling in specific areas, etc.

These behaviours led to some great (and not so great) experiences and a good career but it all caught up with me eventually and I'd rather I wasn't ADHD (*if* it's to blame for my behaviour). If i'd been diagnosed younger may be i would have recognized and curtailed my destructive behaviours whilst still using the 1 or 2 positives? Who knows.
 
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ADHD as a label can be really helpful and through therapy you can learn a lot of useful techniques to mediate against your unwanted character traits. I'd be careful with psycho-stimulants as they can ruin your life and make everything so much worse. If you're trying to recover, I'd read some ADHD forums and pay attention to the the negative stories if I were you, if anything so you know when to stop taking the meds if you start to feel a certain way.
 
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For those that aren't familiar with my opening thread, I have set myself a date to say goodnight, a little less than a month from now. The only exception to that being if during that time my wretched existence somehow flourishes into life. I shalln't recount the events that led me here again, suffice to say that my pain is interminable and my capacity for stoicism is rapidly depleting.

Yesterday I saw a psychiatrist, who after a battery of testing, determined that I have a form of ADHD. I finally have an explanation for many of my limiting behaviours and a convincing retort to those (including myself) who simply thought I was lazy and unmotivated. The psychiatrist even explained how ADHD is responsible for my struggles with language, although I doubt this will prove convincing to those who continue to dismiss me as a pompous prick.

So far, so positive, but what use are the schematics to defuse the bomb after it's exploded and decimated my life?
:'( Hugs from me to you
 
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Esc9434

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I didn't get a notification that there were new posts in this thread until now, :(. I'll be back later.
 
Giraffey

Giraffey

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Mar 7, 2020
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Thank you all for your kind and considerate replies :heart:

@Esc9434 - I've struggled with a variety of the inattentive and hyperactive behaviours since I was in school. Back then it consisted of me struggling to concentrate in class (being a daydreamer), struggling with homework and extreme procrastination. I would regularly hack into the classroom printers and make them jam in order to have an excuse not to print off my 'supposedly' completed work, which I actually hadn't even started...

Later on, I started to suffer more of the hyperactive symptoms like being restless, fidgeting etc. I was diagnosed originally with Bipolar Disorder but unhappy because the symptoms never quite fit me. In the media though, Bipolar is what you might call a 'trendy' illness, it's associated with being creative and imaginative and it fitted with my admittedly eccentric behaviour and so I just went with it. I'm told that I don't actually have Bipolar at all, it was just ADHD in disguise and hence the countless meds I took never worked because I was treating an illness I didn't have.

@Hasssssuùuu - That's really reassuring to hear, thank you :) So many of my day to day problems which I call 'inability to cope with life' probably have their root in ADHD, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that perhaps the right medication will help.

@KiraLittleOwl - I'm so sorry to hear you've struggled so much with your ADHD, but never underestimate the importance of a vivid imagination. One thing I find really helpful for coping is to use my imagination itself. I have a memory palace (aka. method of loki) where you picture a familiar location in your mind and place symbols and pictures there to remind you about things. I have two 'palaces', one for remembering stuff and another that I call my 'good memory palace' - if ever I'm feeling depressed, I go to my good memory palace where I store memories that have really positive emotions attached to them, and I pick out a few to remember and relive (in as many senses as possible).

I don't know if you've ever done lucid dreaming, but I find that really helpful too. I used to have these horrible nightmares that would wake me up in a cold sweat and panic attack. But once you get good at lucid dreaming you can learn to spot when a dream is turning bad and change the bad/scary element into something funny and ridiculous instead. Murderers chasing you get bananas instead of knives and then their legs get turned into giant balloons which you pop with a giant pin - you take back control. All possible because of our vivid imaginations.

@terry_a_davis - I'm just 26 so still been diagnosed late but not quite as late as you (perhaps there is still some hope for me). Funny that you mention thinking outside the box because that's exactly what I've been told as well - my old school teacher used to tell me off for thinking outside the box actually. Have you found that your behaviours have got better as you've got older? I'm currently feeling as though the destruction that my ADHD has caused in my younger years is only going to continue to haunt me into adulthood.

@thebrinkimdriven - Thanks for that heads up, I had read some warnings about the stimulants too. My psychiatrist did mention that I might just want to take them when I'm working, which would result in periods where I'm taking them daily and then breaks of a few weeks or months in-between film shoots where I don't need to concentrate as much (can get by in daily life). I don't think that they're addictive (correct me if I'm wrong), but my biggest fear is of them stopping working and having to continually increase the dose - I don't want to get into that cycle.
 
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Sockeye Salmon

Sockeye Salmon

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Mar 28, 2018
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I have it and it's ruined my life. I don't see any advantages to it. It only has downsides. Worst is, I can't take any medication for it.
 
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Giraffey

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Mar 7, 2020
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I have it and it's ruined my life. I don't see any advantages to it. It only has downsides. Worst is, I can't take any medication for it.

That's awful to hear Gummy, I'm so sorry. Can I ask out of curiosity why you can't take any medication for it? My ADHD has caused me so many problems in my life, I genuinely believe that it's also the reason I stayed in an abusive relationship for as long as I did. But it's probably also the reason for my creativity which has advantages for me at work, the ability to think outside the box.

I don't know if the trade-off is worth it, but perhaps whether we see it as a good thing or not depends on whether we are able to find a way to get our condition under control and harness the advantages whilst minimising our bad behaviours.
 
Sockeye Salmon

Sockeye Salmon

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Mar 28, 2018
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That's awful to hear Gummy, I'm so sorry. Can I ask out of curiosity why you can't take any medication for it? My ADHD has caused me so many problems in my life, I genuinely believe that it's also the reason I stayed in an abusive relationship for as long as I did. But it's probably also the reason for my creativity which has advantages for me at work, the ability to think outside the box.

I don't know if the trade-off is worth it, but perhaps whether we see it as a good thing or not depends on whether we are able to find a way to get our condition under control and harness the advantages whilst minimising our bad behaviours.
There aren't very many psychiatrists where I live, due to the low understanding of mental illnesses, and it's far away. My parents also don't really get it, so they were reluctant to pay when I snuck off to diagnose myself and found out I needed $100 to diagnose. The mends themselves aren't cheap.
 
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terry_a_davis

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Dec 28, 2019
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My ADHD did not help me in school but it definitely helped me in some jobs I had and on certain hobbies such as exercising as i could hyper focus on something i was interested in.
I don't have any of the destructive behaviours now (I'm in my 40's), I'm not sure if this is due to ADHD symptoms naturally lessening over time or me eventually learning (after many years) the negative effects of my behaviours and thus stopping them.

I took ritalin for a few months but stopped cause i have previous problems with drug addiction and they made me feel like i was going into a junkie mode again. But they seem to work for others.

I hope ADHD doesn't ruin the rest of your life. Identify the bad aspects and try to negate them, use the positives like thinking out the box and the hyper focusing.
 
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Aug 29, 2018
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Well if you're in the us, a diagnosis is a good thing since you might find the right meds to treat it.

Personaly, it was when it started falling apart for me.
I could only get ritalin from the doctor and it didnt help.
Modafinil and wellbutrin didnt either.

I tried to fight unmedicated it for many years, but its bred in my bones.
Im basically trapped by my brain with no way out.

It wrecked everything, from my relationships to my dreams.

The only upside was creativity i guess, but i never could get anything but subpar results.

That said, i spoke to a lot of other people with adhd and it seems its always possible to start again once you get the right dosage, so i say go for it!

Sorry about the rant though...
 
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LittleJem

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There aren't very many psychiatrists where I live, due to the low understanding of mental illnesses, and it's far away. My parents also don't really get it, so they were reluctant to pay when I snuck off to diagnose myself and found out I needed $100 to diagnose. The mends themselves aren't cheap.
Modafinil or maybe Bacopa. Or maybe speed on the dark web? I believe the meds are similar to speed
 
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Giraffey

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Modafinil or maybe Bacopa. Or maybe speed on the dark web? I believe the meds are similar to speed

There are some online pharmacies that will still sell Modafinil I believe, although in the UK at least the regulations have been tightened a lot meaning it's harder to obtain in general. I did look at this for self medicating before deciding to go the official route.

You could get some amphetamine from the dark web and with some basic chemistry equipment prepare microdoses (the therapeutic dose is a lot lower than the recreational dose).

I have a friend who suffers with severe depression who does this microdosing with LSD and it has changed his life. But it does require some preparation so not practical for everybody of course.

In other news, I've now been prescribed and taken my very first Lisdexamphetamine (Vyvanse), feeling very nervous. I've pinned all of my hopes on these pills working well for me and with no knowledge of what it actually feels like to be 'normal' I just don't even know what to expect :(

Wish me luck
 
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PillowSia

PillowSia

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Mar 2, 2020
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So far, so positive, but what use are the schematics to defuse the bomb after it's exploded and decimated my life?

Hello! I also struggle with ADHD. I only got diagnosed about a year ago, and unfortunately, I'm still struggling with other diagnoses that affect my ADHD.

I don't think you'll much care for this answer, but, there's only two options, yeah? Either pick up the pieces and try to recreate the exploded life while rearranging the pieces how you like, or get a new life. I mean, you can probably also do some hybrid of the two, realistically, but yes.

I was lucky in that the first thing I was prescribed helped, and it looks like it's what you're going to start on too. I was put on 20mg of Vyvanse at first, and didn't notice anything. It was upped to 30mg, and I started to feel it a little bit? And then when she upped it to 40mg, I felt that was a good stopping point for now. It does not cure your ADHD. Nothing can do that. It's simply an aid, and you will eventually increase it again, and the highest you can go is 70mg before you get cut off. It's not a permanent fixture in the lives of most people. I think 10 years of help is fairly common before they switch you to something else?

Are you hyperactive or are you inattentive, or do you have symptoms of both? I have symptoms of both, and the main things it helps me with personally is concentration, distractibility, and executive dysfunction. I still fidget a bit too much, but it does help me channel that desire to fidget into something to do more of than not. And unfortunately, its a bit different from other meds in that it really doesn't affect your mood a lot (although you might experience slight euphoria the first couple of weeks but that will go away so don't chase that), because Vyvanse has a lot softer entry than other stims of its kind, as well as a cap on its release. After I believe 120, maybe 140mg? You can still OD dangerously, of course, but your liver kind of gives up on converting it around that amount, so taking a bunch won't really do the same things as something like Adderall or Coke, aside from get you super sick and possibly kill you from toxicity. That being said, it IS still a stimulant. You might feel a bit wired and wanting to be busy on tasks, you might get engrossed in something you previously wouldn't have and lose track of time, and these effects can be stimulated with caffeine. Try not to drink it in the morning, but if you feel like your Vyvanse is wearing off too soon, a cup of coffee can help get one last jolt out of it to finish of the day, I've found.

For me, I experienced negative side effects of insomnia for about 4 days when I started taking 30mg before it helped regulate my sleep, and upping to 40mg did not repeat this issue, although whereas I would sleep 10ish or so hours before, I do tend to get around 7 now, although that isn't a problem in any way. I had and sometimes still get wicked dry mouth if I don't drink enough water, and rarely it'll make my head feel tight. Not quite a headache, it's not unpleasant, it's just something I notice and might be from screen staring all day. The eyes have a tendency to... stare harder while its active? Sounds weird but you'll know it when you feel it. Your appetite will probably tank until the evening, so if you don't want to gobble up 3 meals at one sitting, try to have breakfast before or with your pills so you don't feel like a food demon at 5pm. Proteins and fat help Vyvanse work really efficiently, as well as light exercise (you won't catch me doing that often enough though, screw that noise), and be REALLY WARY of fruits and other acidic foods. Vyvanse is different from other amphetamines in that it has to metabolize in your liver to be converted properly, it's not just something that enters your blood stream as is, which is why it has to be taken orally. Eating any acidic fruit before your pills and/or up to an hour after taking them will interfere with how much they help you, if not negate the effects entirely and you'll have taken them for nothing. Obviously if you get anything like bad anxiety, headaches, or other symptoms that really affect your life in negative or dangerous ways, talk to your prescriber.

I really hope your Vyvanse helps you as much as it's helped me. It's not TREMENDOUS in any way, it didn't change my life or anything, and I still struggle mostly due to my other diagnoses, I just struggle less with those specific issues. It's something really easy I can do in the morning (IF I REMEMBER BLEH) that helps me throughout the day to not feel so much like a 6 year old anymore. A tool, not a miracle cure. If it can do that for you too and help you restore or build a good life, then that's really, really good. <3 Good luck~!
 
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Giraffey

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Thank you so much @PillowSia, that's a more candid, in-depth and illuminating post on the reality of Vyvanse than I've encountered anywhere else on the web!

I'm also Hybrid type and on the starting dose of 30mg. Funnily enough, the very first thing I noticed is how much less satisfying fidgeting has become, I still do it occasionally but it feels like conscious movement now instead of something I realise I'm doing about ten minutes after the fact... I felt the effects wear off earlier than I'd like yesterday so today I'm going to follow your advice and top myself up with a strong coffee just before that happens to see if I can eek another hour or two of productivity from the meds.

I actually didn't realise about the diet stuff either, although I'm embarrassed to say I'm not much of a fruit eater anyway so shouldn't be much issue :P I also know what you mean about staring, I think I've had a few moments of that so far. It's most noticeable for me when I've been briefly distracted and lost sight of what I'm reading (happening less frequently so far), trying to get back into the text is like looking at a brick wall to begin with, but then it's as if I notice the entrance and my eyes squeeze through and 'lock-on' so I don't lose track again. Reading that back it seems to make absolutely no sense, but feels like the best way of explaining it!

Thanks again for all of the advice!
 

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